yes yes...i know...Toda B's make best power at around 9 G's...but I dont wanna bother with upgrading spring blah blah blah...injectors, replacing timing belt all the time and lessening the reliability of a type R

I originally planned on keeping stock cams but I heard the B's have awesome midrange.. I wonder how well they perform with not too much engine work...I am considering bumping up the compression, and tuning it with cam gears and VAFC

I hope to get some advice and ppl to speculate on the power it would make

thanx

 

Thats not a half bad question, and as for cost is it worth it ?

 

Get Toda A's instead, they make good power.

 

I know but I heard Toda B's have better midrange?

 

IF you want to do a half *** job with the Spec B, you will probably be very dissapointed with the results that you get for the money you spend on the cams. If you want stock redline and stock everything, just go with Spec A. If you get the spec B, at least get the Toda valve spring, a good header exhaust combo, and at least a chipped ECU.

 

i plan to increase compression and tune...just not raise redline...I think thats reasonable...ppl dont get much power normally cuz they just drop the cams in

 

I suggest you do some more research.
The search is your friend

 

i searched...this is a relatively new idea

 

If you plan to rise the compression and tune, why not get the Toda spring and PE timing belt as well? You will have your engine apart anyways.
It is the huge primary lobe that make the stock timing belt break, so I don't think higher redline have too much to do with it. Also, a higher redline will be come in handy when you need it, like in the race. But that doesn't mean you have to rev to 9500rpm all day even if you have a high redline.

 

higher redline =
it sounds beautiful when it's up at 9700rpm

just like mafay2 said, you dont have to rev up that high all the time, only do it when you race


[Modified by MooFX, 11:17 AM 6/10/2002]

 

Spec B is fine up to stock redline since it doesnt make more power past 9000
anyway. Just make sure you use toda valvesprings.

 

B's in a stock C5 will not make power past 8200.

 

.....with stock compression and toda header, my spec b's made whp all the way to 8600. tp starts to fall off after that though...

 

yea, you should be fine...just get toda Valvesprings, a descent header exhaust combo, and a PE belt

 

talk to ITR009, he ran B's with stock stuff.

 

thx for the reply everyone

if i changed the valve spring, would i have to change retainers as well?


[Modified by Type-Rare#1248, 12:07 PM 6/10/2002]

 

whats a PE belt ? , never mind just found out! power enterprise, whats a good price for one ?


[Modified by r7, 7:13 PM 6/10/2002]

 

Yep. I'll respond here instead of replying to your IM...

My setup = Toda Spec B cams, Toda 1st gen cam gears, AEM CAI, JDM 4-1 header + 2.5" Jeg's cat with modified ITR b-pipe and stock can. V-AFC for fuel correction, Yack-tuned. Stock rev limiter, stock FP, stock valvetrain.

Reasoning = Got a deal too good to pass up on the cams, but could not afford the extra goodies at the time. So Yack just slapped in the cams and roughed in a state of tune. Then he dyno-tuned it a few months later. Went back to initial tune (cam gears zero'd out and necessary fuel corrections) to pass emissions.

Verdict = As long as you pay attention to the things that need attention, you'll be fine. I probably made about 180-183 peak whp, along with that big nasty Toda B midrange. Stay off the rev limiter, check your valves fairly often. Realize that you aren't making the full potential of these cams with stock compression, vtrain, etc. But if you're on a budget, start small and work your way up. I was pricing a valvetrain, but ended up deciding to sell the car, so the cams were yanked.

My car, doing third-gear pulls and such, hung with another B-equipped R with valvetrain and other goodies. It was a good bit faster than stock, but by no means the fastest we-todd-driven B18C5-powered car around.

If I did it over again - I'd go all-out. But that takes money

But you can build a daily-drivable, reliable, non-breaking Toda B-equipped car using many stock parts. Just don't try it with the stock airbox and exhaust manifold. You'll lose 15-20 horsepower and generally hate yourself.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=192712 this about sums it up. IMO don't dic around with toda bs unless your are ready to to get springs, retainers, header, ECU, and injectors. You say your going to bump compression as if it's like installing an intake. If your worried about changeing retainers, bumping compression is much harder to do right.

 

Just to let those know what can be had. Stock compression,valvetrain, ecu(+ vafc).







[Modified by RStoR, 2:40 PM 6/10/2002]

 

chris, you get my email about the st00k antenner?

 

thx everyone who replied
ITR009, that was great help

 

No problem. Just want to dispel some misinformation that's out there.

Can you do it? Yes.
Is it *as safe* as adding vtrain? Maybe not.
Will you make the most power? No.

But it can be done, and you will enjoy the extra power

 

Most of the 15-20 hp loss you spoke of can be attributed to the stock exhaust system choking the setup. I lost just 2 peak whp, while improving the midrange when going back to the stock airbox. The AEM does sound nice though, and adds some decent bling-bling factor

 

especially when you get it chrome plated with gold plated "aem" on the side like jason