How to get 300+ hp
My buddy has a 2002 Acura TL Type S, and wants to get it over 300 hp. I am a B-Series guy that road races. I was just wondering what options are available. I saw the Comptech supercharger, but that was only ~40 whp more, maybe another 20 whp if I do the headers and exhaust. He doesn't care if it is N/A, turbo, or supercharger. He mentioned nitrous, and I just said that would be an option, but not the best. So what is available so that I can get the ball rolling? I tried "turbo" and "supercharger" in search under TL/RL, and got nothing.
on the old HP rating headers are worth 32WHP @ 6400rpm.
That along with an intake gets you over 300 crank HP
http://comptechusa.web01.yourh...t.pdf
the headers also move the HP peak 300 RPM up so the car will still pull very hard to redline.
I got some DC sports ones and those are just as good as the comptech ones without the big *** price tag.
drive line loss with the auto is 208whp/260chp or .8 (20%) loss
232whp/.8 = 290chp
That along with an intake gets you over 300 crank HP
http://comptechusa.web01.yourh...t.pdf
the headers also move the HP peak 300 RPM up so the car will still pull very hard to redline.
I got some DC sports ones and those are just as good as the comptech ones without the big *** price tag.
drive line loss with the auto is 208whp/260chp or .8 (20%) loss
232whp/.8 = 290chp
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Those motors can handle a ton of nitrous but the trans sucks. If he gets a tran cooler, he can spray a 100 shot and be safe.
I will PM you some videos to prove my point.
Those motors can handle a ton of nitrous but the trans sucks. If he gets a tran cooler, he can spray a 100 shot and be safe.
I will PM you some videos to prove my point.
Getting 300HP+ is going to be tough.
COMPTECH represents an organization that has a long track record in performance tuning of Honda/Acura products. They wisely have pursued a 'happy medium'...increased output while preserving mechanical reliability. There's wisdom in that approach.
The problems one would face in pushing the J32A2 motor & drivetrain far beyond factory specs IMO are:
- Premature transmission failure. The Gen 2 TL's are among the batch of trannies covered under a large class action lawsuit applying to several Honda vehicles. As I understand it, the 2nd & 3rd gear clutch packs have a tendency to fail due to either sub-standard materials in some of the bearings, and/or due to inadequate internal design restricting transmission oil flow. Adding an external transmission cooler would be in order. Also limiting the performance mods would makes sense too...
- The COMPTECH supercharger only produces 4-5 psi of boost. The upside is avoiding detonation (pre-ignition) along with avoiding the need for an intercooler. To get larger gains, you'd have to either overdrive the supercharger, or preferably employ a turbocharger that delivers higher manifold boost. That invokes a host of other issues & potential problems...doable, just not a plug & play solution. And your transmission will still be at risk. (Going with a Dr. Evil tranny rebuild & a Level 10 torque converter would make sense).
If one just has to have ultimate HP from a GEN 2 TL, a reasonable approach might be to change the head to a J35, port the thing, install custom ground cams & springs. Install an aftermarket ECM/VTEC controller, install headers, CAI, exhaust, Iridium plugs (w. heat range for forced induction engines). Then install the COMPTECH supercharger, deploying it in an out-of-the box configuration. You should be able to get more than 300 whp. All this would cost some $$. Also, simply making the car lighter would work the other side of the 'equation', improved power-to-weight ratio...a cheap way to improve performance.
Modified by Tocalo Eddie at 11:50 AM 8/10/2007
Modified by Tocalo Eddie at 11:52 AM 8/10/2007
COMPTECH represents an organization that has a long track record in performance tuning of Honda/Acura products. They wisely have pursued a 'happy medium'...increased output while preserving mechanical reliability. There's wisdom in that approach.
The problems one would face in pushing the J32A2 motor & drivetrain far beyond factory specs IMO are:
- Premature transmission failure. The Gen 2 TL's are among the batch of trannies covered under a large class action lawsuit applying to several Honda vehicles. As I understand it, the 2nd & 3rd gear clutch packs have a tendency to fail due to either sub-standard materials in some of the bearings, and/or due to inadequate internal design restricting transmission oil flow. Adding an external transmission cooler would be in order. Also limiting the performance mods would makes sense too...
- The COMPTECH supercharger only produces 4-5 psi of boost. The upside is avoiding detonation (pre-ignition) along with avoiding the need for an intercooler. To get larger gains, you'd have to either overdrive the supercharger, or preferably employ a turbocharger that delivers higher manifold boost. That invokes a host of other issues & potential problems...doable, just not a plug & play solution. And your transmission will still be at risk. (Going with a Dr. Evil tranny rebuild & a Level 10 torque converter would make sense).
If one just has to have ultimate HP from a GEN 2 TL, a reasonable approach might be to change the head to a J35, port the thing, install custom ground cams & springs. Install an aftermarket ECM/VTEC controller, install headers, CAI, exhaust, Iridium plugs (w. heat range for forced induction engines). Then install the COMPTECH supercharger, deploying it in an out-of-the box configuration. You should be able to get more than 300 whp. All this would cost some $$. Also, simply making the car lighter would work the other side of the 'equation', improved power-to-weight ratio...a cheap way to improve performance.
Modified by Tocalo Eddie at 11:50 AM 8/10/2007
Modified by Tocalo Eddie at 11:52 AM 8/10/2007
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