just curious if anyone has tryed the B series stage 2 or cams yet??? or test them against other cams

 

I tried the stage 2 in a JDM ITR stock, the idle really sucked for a daily, I took them out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chechin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I tried the stage 2 in a JDM ITR stock, the idle really sucked for a daily, I took them out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

did you tune it? or just drop em in?

 

yes tuned w/Apexi Powerfc with stock ECU it's impossible to use them.

 

If we can get Toda C's and Skunk Pro series cams to idle, there is no reason that Blueprint cams can not be tuned to idle well either. Just because one person bolts them in and can't get them tuned properly, don't write them off. I have tuned Blueprints K-series cams and they made good power. We have not yet tuned a set of their B-series cams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaboyB18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just curious if anyone has tryed the B series stage 2 or cams yet??? or test them against other cams</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why don't you tell us how they did in your tests.. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2053557

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaboyB18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> B series vtec stage 2 camshafts , only used to dyno test against Blox HSL cams

they work awsome for there size

$400 + shipping</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i think him selling them is the answer, they're junk. blueprintmfg is just jeffs way of getting away from the bad rep of import builders still up to the same crap steeling everyone designs because he cant come up with anything himself


Modified by masterbuilder at 11:00 AM 8/8/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by masterbuilder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think him selling them is the answer, there junk. blueprintmfg is just jeffs way of getting away from the bad rep of import builders still up to the same crap steeling everyone designs because he cant come up with anting himself </TD></TR></TABLE>
Poor spelling/punctuation/grammar aside-your information is erroneous.
Blueprint Manufacturing existed long before Import Builders became involved with them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Poor spelling/punctuation/grammar aside-your information is erroneous.
Blueprint Manufacturing existed long before Import Builders became involved with them.</TD></TR></TABLE>I didn't say he started it. I said its his way of getting away from the bad rep of import builders. They use all jeffs connections and still can't come up with their own designs (blueprints) and use who ever will do their machine work for them.One week its GE, the next its some no name machine shop, the next its jg. who is next? who will jeff say is best next week?What a joke!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chechin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes tuned w/Apexi Powerfc with stock ECU it's impossible to use them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats why a vtec controller isn't goin to do ****. hondata / crome, is whats needed.

 

the apexi power fc isn't a vtec controller lol. its like a standalone system

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkankyEJ7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the apexi power fc isn't a vtec controller lol. its like a standalone system </TD></TR></TABLE>
all i saw was apexi figured it was a vtec controller, never heard of apexi's standalone..

 

its a nice system

 

i have a cam like that, im going to golden eagle to see if they can get the spec's on it. long story but these cam's are giving me a bunch issue with it.

 

Over the years, we have experienced many different camshafts. There will always be different outcome for each user. They are many variable involved.

We have many customers used Blue Print Camshafts and never had any problem with them. Nice quality camshafts and header.

If you need us to refer a good tuner, please PM me. I will point you to the right direction.

Whitfield Racing is one of my top choice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


This crap is getting old. Either step up and do some actual development of your own products or start being honest with people about what youre selling them. Making people believe your this brilliant cam or header development company when your nothing more than a middleman with a few contacts is dishonest.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the kind of stuff that has been bothering me for a while. Nobody wants to "step up" anymore because cheap asian copycats will sell in mass quantity to greedy U.S buisnessmen for high profit resale. 99% of our market is china/taiwan parts with shiney finish and creative marketing. Sure, some of it is great quality, but its hard to tell how good the QC is. And judging by several companys and parts, the manufacturers will cut corners to boost their own $$. Sad to see what it has become.

 

what valvetrain are you gonna use?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PeopleAgainstJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Blueprint makes some quality stuff and good prices.

And as for masterbuilder...you sound like a broken record. Quit yo bitchin already.</TD></TR></TABLE> why should i? its shops like blueprint that screw up the market. they make these clams that its there design. look at jeffs rods they look almost just like eagle, gee i wonder why, maybe that's because they took a eagle rod to rpm and said this is what i want made. its bull all they do is take parts that good shops put time and money in to making and developing copy them and call them there own it is bull

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by masterbuilder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> why should i? its shops like blueprint that screw up the market. they make these clams that its there design. look at jeffs rods they look almost just like eagle, gee i wonder why, maybe that's because they took a eagle rod to rpm and said this is what i want made. its bull all they do is take parts that good shops put time and money in to making and developing copy them and call them there own it is bull </TD></TR></TABLE>

what are you talking about, didnt skunk do this to jun and blox did this to skunk everyone copy's if they didnt there would be no options in what you buy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what are you talking about, didn't skunk do this to jun and blox did this to skunk everyone copy's if they didn't there would be no options in what you buy.</TD></TR></TABLE> i don't like blox ether i refuse to buy there parts. no skunk2 don't do that they develop parts then have them made there is a difference skunk2 dynos there parts and does lots of testing. a lot of work is behind there product then some shop like blox copy's it and some shop like blueprint relabels it and calls it there own. it is bullshit

 

oh god not this again

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PeopleAgainstJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see anything wrong with relabeling parts under your own brand name. That's what people call "Private labeling", maybe you should look it up. I'm sure a lot of companies make products for other people and have it rebadged. It happens all the time.

It's not like BluePrint is misrepresenting themselves by lying about their products or overstating their claims. They do not have to disclose where they get the parts made. If they feel that they can sell and market products effectively under their own name and there is no complaint from the manufacturer, then they can do business as usual.

If it works and the customer is happy, what's the problem?

If Jeff wasn't at Blueprint, you guys wouldn't even be in this thread, so stop having a hard-on for the guy. He's a good guy to know and knows his ****. If the parts didn't work then he wouldn't even sell it.

Ok. I'm done with this thread. Peace out.</TD></TR></TABLE> you don't know what the hell your talking about. they don't tell you your getting jg cams, they say they did research and developed these cams when they did nothing. jeff is a scamer not a nice guy and he don't know crap, he is baned off of here for a reason and he don't go to the races for a reason because he knows if he shows his face at a race he will get his *** kicked, because he has scammed so many people, jeff is about $$$$ not the racers not the industry he is about him. we have seen him scam people that's why we are on here. and i hope you are done so you wont wast our time with useless info about a scammer. get off his nuts already. if he is a man let him come tell us we are wrong and prove it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Private label manufacturing is completely different. Let me give you a breakdown of the differences.

Private label example:

Company A develops a new part and wants to mass produce this part. Company A is a small company and does not have the capability (CNC machines, founddries, etc) to manufacture anything on its own. So company A takes their prototype product to Company B. Company B is a large scale production company with all the necessary capailites and machines to mass produce a various range of products. Company A contracts company B to produce Company A's prototype part that Company A designed, developed and tested. With in their contractual agreement, Company B agrees to produce this particular part for company A exclusively so long company A met the minimum quantities of production. This is and always has been Company A's part, Company B's involvement is only to produce large quantities of the product, exclusively for Company A.

That is private label manufacturing.

A perfect example of private label manufacturing deal is Omnipower. Try and buy those ITB kits from Toser. You cant. They are exclusive to Omnipower.

That is not what IB or BP are doing. What BP is doing is no different than buying cams from skunk2, taking them out of the box, repackaging them and selling them as BP cams. This is not private label anything, this is deciept. The cams and headers being sold by BP are Toser shelf products, also distributed by ZSpeed. They were never an original part designed or developed by IB or BP. They can be purchased by anyone willing to buy large enough quantities. The cam profiles and header designs are not exclusive to BP, never belonged to BP, therefore not in any way private. They are Toser parts, they are available to anyone. Why not sell them as what they are?

It takes a lot of money and even more time to engineer, develop, test, revise, test, refine and produce anything. Thats why there arent that many out there doing it. For ever 1 company out there doing it for real, earning respect, being innovators, pioneers, there are 20 companies out there fooling people into giving them the same respect the innovators are getting. Its insulting to those putting out the huge dollars and chunks of time into actual development.

Im sorry, but Im not the type to by a BMW M3, take all the BMW badges off of it and sell it to the public as a Hardt M3 and lead people into believing I developed the car. Thats BS.

Its just a patchetic way of trying to be something/someone your not. Please people, dont encourage companies to do this sort of thing. They do not deserve your respect and more so, your money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Private label manufacturing is completely different. Let me give you a breakdown of the differences.

Private label example:

Company A develops a new part and wants to mass produce this part. Company A is a small company and does not have the capability (CNC machines, founddries, etc) to manufacture anything on its own. So company A takes their prototype product to Company B. Company B is a large scale production company with all the necessary capailites and machines to mass produce a various range of products. Company A contracts company B to produce Company A's prototype part that Company A designed, developed and tested. With in their contractual agreement, Company B agrees to produce this particular part for company A exclusively so long company A met the minimum quantities of production. This is and always has been Company A's part, Company B's involvement is only to produce large quantities of the product, exclusively for Company A.

That is private label manufacturing.

A perfect example of private label manufacturing deal is Omnipower. Try and buy those ITB kits from Toser. You cant. They are exclusive to Omnipower.

That is not what IB or BP are doing. What BP is doing is no different than buying cams from skunk2, taking them out of the box, repackaging them and selling them as BP cams. This is not private label anything, this is deciept. The cams and headers being sold by BP are Toser shelf products, also distributed by ZSpeed. They were never an original part designed or developed by IB or BP. They can be purchased by anyone willing to buy large enough quantities. The cam profiles and header designs are not exclusive to BP, never belonged to BP, therefore not in any way private. They are Toser parts, they are available to anyone. Why not sell them as what they are?

It takes a lot of money and even more time to engineer, develop, test, revise, test, refine and produce anything. Thats why there arent that many out there doing it. For ever 1 company out there doing it for real, earning respect, being innovators, pioneers, there are 20 companies out there fooling people into giving them the same respect the innovators are getting. Its insulting to those putting out the huge dollars and chunks of time into actual development.

Im sorry, but Im not the type to by a BMW M3, take all the BMW badges off of it and sell it to the public as a Hardt M3 and lead people into believing I developed the car. Thats BS.

Its just a patchetic way of trying to be something/someone your not. Please people, dont encourage companies to do this sort of thing. They do not deserve your respect and more so, your money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
couldn't have said it better myself. (mainly because I'm to lazy to type all that much, or paste and copy, lol. )

 

not only that but jeff loves to say these rods were made exclusively for me, these cams were made exclusively for me, also says he worked hand and hand with the manufacture to make these when that is bull. all he does is put his name on product and call it his