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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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i hav a lil build comin up guys
it's a jdm B18C1
lookin for some cams to add to the parts list
btw my cr is around 12.5:1
which cam is best,
i seeing dat the pro 2's hav great mid and top end power
but the spec c has the same...
so which one
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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you could also get good results with s2s3 tuner series cams
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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u see i have access to the both
so i was wondering which 1?
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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i will be using s2pro2 in my next motor..
till now i used only toda..

the only OBVIOUS. thing, having both cams side by side, is todas better quality..
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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in terms of performance and reliability....
which?
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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with 12.5:1 I know the pro 2's should lay down some pretty decent numbers and have a pretty good reputation. As for the toda's I can't speak much on those
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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I have run both-both good cams. I would give the edge to the Pro 2's.
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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i think there is more experience and good advice with the pro '2's.probably cause the difference in price but they put up just as good #'s
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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bump for more info, 12:5 with toda c or skunk2 pro2 (daily driver)?
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 04:57 AM
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bump, i've seen many good review on the pro 2's but not much on the spec c, n there is a big price difference, cause i gettin the pro 2's brand new and toda's used 4 a couple miles, and d toda's still a lil more money.....
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RM M22x's </TD></TR></TABLE>

Clean Rice with his bullshit again. Read the title. Does it mention anything about M22x's?

To the original poster, listen to B19coupe. He has tested a vast amount of cams.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1786276
Personally, would go with the cam that is cheaper out of the two.
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:13 AM
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thank u Chillinit
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 07:45 AM
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WELL I GOT SOME PRO 2'S ON MY B20 VTEC 12:5 CR AND THE IDLE FEELS CRAZY...I WILL TUNE AND POST DYNO SHEET IN FEW WEEKS WHEN I GET ENOUGH MONEY FOR A S300!
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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This is a good thread for me as well I have been wanting to know this same exact question.
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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sk2 pro2 cams FTW!! they are a proven cam so you cant go wrong with them as long as your running over 12 CR
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type_r_teggy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u see i have access to the both
so i was wondering which 1?</TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry bro, you didnt mention you had access to both
and it was an either or. didnt mean to muddy the
waters.
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 06:52 AM
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so whats the verdict?
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 10:00 AM
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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any more inputs?
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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 10:30 PM
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Well we just got back from the dyno and I must say I am not impressed with the pro 2's. My B20/Vtec only made 217 hp and 147 torque and the power peaked out at around 7900 rpm. I thought for sure these cams would pull a little higher than that. I have 12.5:1 compression and am using the Performer Intake Manifold. My head is CNC ported with 370cc injectors and I am rocking a Rage Try Y header. I'm probably going to pull these out and put my Gude cams back in and see the diiference. Don F. and Tony S. told me where to degree tha cams at for good V2V and said to just tune the A/F and ignition after that. But we couldn't get any more out of these cams. Anyways I didn't like the Pro 2's. That's my 2 cents.
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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 11:03 PM
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This is what the Skunk Pro 2's did in my old 85x89mm 11.5:1 motor:

The cams are not what is limiting peak RPM power. Intake manifold, intake, head, header, and exhaust all play a role.
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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PWRSPDEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well we just got back from the dyno and I must say I am not impressed with the pro 2's. My B20/Vtec only made 217 hp and 147 torque and the power peaked out at around 7900 rpm. I thought for sure these cams would pull a little higher than that. I have 12.5:1 compression and am using the Performer Intake Manifold. My head is CNC ported with 370cc injectors and I am rocking a Rage Try Y header. I'm probably going to pull these out and put my Gude cams back in and see the diiference. Don F. and Tony S. told me where to degree tha cams at for good V2V and said to just tune the A/F and ignition after that. But we couldn't get any more out of these cams. Anyways I didn't like the Pro 2's. That's my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The cams are not what is limiting peak RPM power. Intake manifold, intake, head, header, and exhaust all play a role.</TD></TR></TABLE>

its not the cams, its something else with your setup like mr b19 said.
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 05:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is what the Skunk Pro 2's did in my old 85x89mm 11.5:1 motor:
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I've seen several dyno graphs posted here on H-T which look like that one. However I've never seen such a dyno graph on our local dyno which is not a dynojet/dynapack but a very different European dyno. I mean those two curves have almost the exact same shape, the only difference is that one is a few hp higher then the other. It seems very unlikely that a "better" cam can increase the power throughout the WHOLE rpm band. I believe this is some measurement error and not the actual gain caused by the cams. What do you think?
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 06:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr_henrik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I mean those two curves have almost the exact same shape, the only difference is that one is a few hp higher then the other. It seems very unlikely that a "better" cam can increase the power throughout the WHOLE rpm band. I believe this is some measurement error and not the actual gain caused by the cams. What do you think?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think that when the same motor is dynoed on the same dyno on the same day with the same exact mods, the curves are going to be very similar
Those are back to back pulls, one in third gear and one in fourth.
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