Ok about a year ago i made 208whp on my 1.8l
with a stock head(stock port work)
-june 2
-with more time on the dyno i could have pulled out another 2-3whp
-my old setup 208whp
[IMG] http://img112.imageshack.us/im...t.jpg [/IMG]

a few weeks ago we just finish my buddys car
we ended up makeing only 200whp.....(we were sure we would make at least 215whp)
what the hell!!!

-he has a portflow ported head
-skunk2 stg2 cams

my buddys set up 200whp



thanks 4 looking


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Making 200+ whp on a 1.8L platform is a lot harder then people think.
A lot of the reason people think it is easy to do is due to the dynapack numbers introduced to them on honda-tech.

 

which JG intake manifold were you running on the 208 setup?

also, what was your reasoning behind using 550cc injectors on that
motor that made 200 -

 

What else does his motor have?

 

Making 220 whp with a 1.8 liter motor requires the exact right combination of parts. Starting with a good intake, a better than stock intake manifold, a very good head with the right cams properly timed, a good header and exhaust. + lots of tuning. Not to mention a well put together bottom end.

 

Port matched intake manifold to head? What header? What exhaust piping diameter are you running? What throttle body size? What is the static compression ratio? Intake restrictive at all? Intake intalled, I have heard filter on throttle body you loose power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeSarr_GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which JG intake manifold were you running on the 208 setup?
</TD></TR></TABLE>the bigger old one

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeSarr_GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
also, what was your reasoning behind using 550cc injectors on that
motor that made 200 -</TD></TR></TABLE>
(price)we got the 550cc cheap

 

im hoping to break 200whp without touching the port of the head and keeping the block bone stock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by InLtegSra94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What else does his motor have? </TD></TR></TABLE>
-b16 head (portflow)
blox intake manifold (portmatch and ported not cut open)
portflow valve spring and retainers
stock valve (type r)
sk2 stg2 cams

-block
b18a
ptc pistons
-550 rc injectors

-91 octane
-and major tuning

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Making 220 whp with a 1.8 liter motor requires the exact right combination of parts. Starting with a good intake, a better than stock intake manifold, a very good head with the right cams properly timed, a good header and exhaust. + lots of tuning. Not to mention a well put together bottom end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what combo do u suggest?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fergy016 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Port matched intake manifold to head? </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fergy016 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What header? What exhaust piping diameter are you running? </TD></TR></TABLE>highend motorsport /dyno on open headers

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fergy016 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What throttle body size? What is the static compression ratio? Intake restrictive at all? </TD></TR></TABLE>

68mm on the 208whp
60mm on the 200whp
13.6-13.8-1

 

Crank scraper? Proper oil drain tubes? Correct side rod clearances? Correct ring end gaps? Proper bearing clearances? They all add up.

 

Don,

There is a guy near me that makes crank scrapers for alot of engines including Honda engines. I provided him with some Honda, vw and bmw engines for him to design around. He mentioned that you had done some testing and saw a couple percent gain throughout the rpm range on n/a b series stuff. Any truth to this?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crank scraper? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no crank scrapers

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Proper oil drain tubes? </TD></TR></TABLE>
opened up all drain casting on the head

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Correct side rod clearances? Correct ring end gaps? Proper bearing clearances? They all add up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
on both motors rod side clearance .003-.005
ring gap top ring .015 second ring .017
main and rods .015-.017

i know u might not want to give up ur clearanc secrets but am i around the rite track?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rev-speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok about a year ago i made 208whp on my 1.8l
with a stock head(stock port work)
-<U>june 2</U>-with more time on the dyno i could have pulled out another 2-3whp
-my old setup 208whp
http://www.mercedimports.com/p...40251


</TD></TR></TABLE>

Was that the cam used, or the date of the dyno?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeySpec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Was that the cam used, or the date of the dyno? </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes the cams used

it was pulled off of a race car that made 224 whp same dyno
motor is a 86x87@i say around 11.5-1 compression

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_KJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don,

There is a guy near me that makes crank scrapers for alot of engines including Honda engines. I provided him with some Honda, vw and bmw engines for him to design around. He mentioned that you had done some testing and saw a couple percent gain throughout the rpm range on n/a b series stuff. Any truth to this?</TD></TR></TABLE> Yes, there stuff works, I supplied some other blocks. I really like the new teflon scrapers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rev-speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what combo do u suggest?</TD></TR></TABLE>
whale ***** intake..
smsp/hytech headers..
2.5"-2.75" exhaust piping..
s2pro2 or s2s3 cams..
an oil change..
and maybe some 100 octane..

you said your ptc pistons are netting 13.5ish cr?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yes, there stuff works, I supplied some other blocks. I really like the new teflon scrapers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

had a teflon scraper on my VR6

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtber &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Making 200+ whp on a 1.8L platform is a lot harder then people think.
A lot of the reason people think it is easy to do is due to the dynapack numbers introduced to them on honda-tech.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
x2
good luck on your 220whp quest
put some toda D and rev it to 11K

 

Its hard to get to 220whp...i was dissapointed with my 215WHP on a mustang dyno but now i know that those are healty numbers 220WHP on a dynapack is less harder to obtain people are telling me!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA_JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its hard to get to 220whp...i was dissapointed with my 215WHP on a mustang dyno but now i know that those are healty numbers 220WHP on a dynapack is less harder to obtain people are telling me!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

depends which dynapack.

b19coupe, who has posted in this thread used to have a 1.8 that made 22x at R&D if i recall correctly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rev-speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok about a year ago i made 208whp on my 1.8l
with a stock head(stock port work)
-june 2
-with more time on the dyno i could have pulled out another 2-3whp
-my old setup 208whp
http://www.mercedimports.com/p...40251

a few weeks ago we just finish my buddys car
we ended up makeing only 200whp.....(we were sure we would make at least 215whp)
what the hell!!!

-he has a portflow ported head
-skunk2 stg2 cams

my buddys set up 200whp
http://www.mercedimports.com/p...=4951

thanks 4 looking

</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know someone who made 226 whp on a 1.8

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA_JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its hard to get to 220whp...i was dissapointed with my 215WHP on a mustang dyno but now i know that those are healty numbers</TD></TR></TABLE>

was this on a 1.8l?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drewbie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I know someone who made 226 whp on a 1.8</TD></TR></TABLE>
who?