I'm sure you guys have to get bored at looking at Work's, Mugen, Spoon, and all those pretty things, so I'll humor you.

My hatch is built to be fast on track, so expect rotas, koni/gc's, and *gasp* a sohc build! (its lighter!)

Since I just created this "garage" thing on webrides, imma just link that so i don't have to list all the work and pics here...

http://webridestv.com/thegarage.aspx?ride=4257

Kinda interested in seeing what this forum has to say. (I'll still sleep at night if you hate on it)

 

IMHO i think its pretty bland. overall i give it a meh

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LocOBanAnA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

IMHO i think its pretty bland. overall i give it a meh</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't disagree with you, however the beauty is in the suspension/mechanicals. This thing eats evo's/sti's for lunch out on Willow and Buttonwillow.

Its like a really really fun ugly chick.

 

engine set-up that gave you 177hp and whats this suspension set-up that eats evo's and STI's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eyal 951 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't disagree with you, however the beauty is in the suspension/mechanicals. This thing eats evo's/sti's for lunch out on Willow and Buttonwillow.

Its like a really really fun ugly chick.</TD></TR></TABLE>

kidding right?

 

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I don't disagree with you, however the beauty is in the suspension/mechanicals. This thing eats evo's/sti's for lunch out on Willow and Buttonwillow.

Its like a really really fun ugly chick.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're so full of ****.

Power:
D16Z6 Bottom end (from 1995 Civic Si VTEC)
-D16A6 (PM6 CRX Si) Pistons
-Completly rebuild and cleaned with new everything
-Bored .040 Over (from 75mm to 76mm bores)
-New Exedy Clutch
-Exedy Lightweight Flywheel
-ARP headstuds
-decked .010
-11.2:1 CR

D16Y8 Head (from 2000 Civic EX VTEC)
-milled .010
-Crower Stage 2 Cam
-Crower valve springs
-Crower Titanium retainers
-completly rebuild and cleaned with new everything
-Skunk 2 Pro Series Intake Manifold
-2 layer head gasket (removes .012)
-AEM Adj. Cam gear
-B16 Throttle boddy (increases from 56mm to 58mm)
-B16 Intake arm
-Apex'i Power Intake
-DC Sports 4-1 Headers
-2.5 inch mandrel Exhaust with 22" resonator, SNL Twin Loop

Enigne Managment
-Socketed and chiped P28 ecu
-Hondata S100 piggyback

Cooling:
-Dual Core aluminium radiator, 12” slim fan

Transmition:
-Hybrid

1: 3.250 (ex/si)
2: 1.900 (ex/si)
3: 1.346 (zc)
4: 1.066 (vx 3rd)
5: .771 (crx)

FD: 4.4375 (Integra ZXi)
Diff: LSD


Handling:
-Full GSR Upper and lower control arms, trailing arms, knuckles, etc -Full GSR brakes front and rear -GSR Brake booster
-GSR 1" Master cylinder w/ custom line
-40/40 prop valve
-22mm LS front sway
-ASR Rear subraframe brace
-22mm Integra Type ARRRR rear sway
-GSR steering rack, looped w/breather for manual rack operation
-Koni Yellow SP3, shortened 20mm
-Ground Control coilovers, rates: 400 front, 500 rear
-H&R 5mm wheel spacers/extended studs (for 35 offset)


Wheels:
Street: 16x7 Circuit 8
Track: 15x7 Slipstream

Lighting:


Exterior:
-Body color mirrors and door handles
-OEM EX/SI front lip
-OEM JDM replica front fog lights
-Amber front corner lights
-Spoon replica hatch wing


Interior:
-Si gauge cluster
-sound system


ICE:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KYLE. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">engine set-up that gave you 177hp and whats this suspension set-up that eats evo's and STI's</TD></TR></TABLE>

it says 171

15% loss, 144 whp... Simple math.

Suspension is listed. Honda's are capable track cars.

By eat, i didnt mean in terms of speed, the civic is obv much slower in the straights.

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you're so full of ****.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your an idiot. Cool, we have our opinions of each other out of the way...

Now, why am I full of ****?

 

because you didn't post time attack results from the previous track events you've been on. i've been to willow and there's now way your car eats those cars out at balcony.
i want to see what your car can do on HTM. you have no torque LOL

edit: right now, it's all talk unless you can back it up.

edit2: you make it sound like your car is a monster if you can "eat" those cars.
if i used your car as a prime example; then a bone stock rsx type-s with good suspension & driver can "eat" a evo/sti?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because you didn't post time attack results from the previous track events you've been on. i've been to willow and there's now way your car eats those cars out at balcony.
i want to see what your car can do on HTM. you have no torque LOL

edit: right now, it's all talk unless you can back it up.

edit2: you make it sound like your car is a monster if you can "eat" those cars.
if i used your car as a prime example; then a bone stock rsx type-s with good suspension & driver can "eat" a evo/sti? </TD></TR></TABLE>


lol

 

I'm sorry I used the term "eat". Would the term "pass" suite you?

Torque doesn't mean very much. Brakes, weight, and suspension do. An STI is sitting on McPhereson struts, and weighs nearly 3300 pounds.

Civic? Double wishbone, 2100 pounds.

I don't have many numbers for you, I don't do time attacks, I just do good old fashion HPDE. My best time out at buttonwillow was a 2:07... Granted its not blistering, but my statement about evo/sti was merely based on the fact that the vast majority of sti/evo cars I encounter, i pass. I'm sure either car can be prepared to the point where it would lap my car, but I'm merely referring to what I typically encounter on the track. I guess I should mention that sti/evo drivers aren't typically amazing drivers.

I didn't post lap times because this thread is simply a thread about my car, I didn't expect my credibility to be put on trial. It's a pretty well known fact (at least among honda owners who have track experience) that hondas handle better then many cars on track.

Edit: an RSX-S is a different car, with a screwy suspension setup. I don't know what it takes to get it to turn/rotate. I know what it takes to get a civic/integra to turn. Also, i'd hardly call my car bone stock. Maybe the interior/exterior is, but that doesn't matter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eyal 951 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll still sleep at night if you hate on it</TD></TR></TABLE>

what happen to you taking constructive criticism? LOL.....i think someone likes to fake the funk


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by "Eyal 951" &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I should mention that sti/evo drivers aren't typically amazing drivers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. and you must be Mario Andretti.

 

It's a pretty well known fact (at least among honda owners who have track experience) that hondas handle better then many cars on track.
an RSX-S is a different car, with a screwy suspension setup. I don't know what it takes to get it to turn/rotate. I know what it takes to get a civic/integra to turn.


sure buddy, you're still kinda new to this, now even sure how you came up with that conclusion.

rsx with screwy suspension? what about top fuel's RSX?

I dont think anyone should take suspension tips from a guy that runs coilover "sleeve" LOL

only reason you know civic/integra is because it's been done to death. it's 2007 man, not 2000.

funny how a honda owners always compare cars by weight. I know what "power to weight" ratio is.

edit:





i bet you 10 bucks that you dont make that power with your current AEM intake. i'd say -10hp from your so call 144whp. your avg torque is tiny.

btw, i just like to call out cocky honda owners for fun. it's a sport

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LocOBanAnA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what happen to you taking constructive criticism? LOL.....i think someone likes to fake the funk


lol. and you must be Mario Andretti. </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, you guys take things soo out of proportion, wow!

Yes, your logic seams flawless... since I think that sti drivers aren't the best out there, I must be absolutely amazing. I can't argue with that!

Constructive criticism is one thing, proclaiming that I am full of **** is another. Stating that" An sti is a fairly quick car, I don't see how your civic is faster. Can you explain?" would be an example of constructive criticism. I still dont give a **** whether he likes my car or not. (Just as much as I'm sure he doesn't give a **** if I like his)

The point of this thread was to showcase my idea of a fun civic, something different then you typically see on th A/C forum.

 

realtimeracing runs coilover sleeves «lol» (like you said...)

i think the agruing can stop now. you perfectly know what he means by passing an evo or an sti during lapping...it's all related on drivers and so many other factors...maybe he passed an sti...maybe he didn't...anyway you have to accept it and quit getting frustrated and aggressive about it...

no one here considered their 145 whp civic like the king of the track; it's a ******* good thing that, at least, the car sees the track...give it a break, chill, take it easy and appreciate it when a peer shares about his passion.

P

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It's a pretty well known fact (at least among honda owners who have track experience) that hondas handle better then many cars on track.
an RSX-S is a different car, with a screwy suspension setup. I don't know what it takes to get it to turn/rotate. I know what it takes to get a civic/integra to turn.


sure buddy, you're still kinda new to this, now even sure how you came up with that conclusion.

rsx with screwy suspension? what about top fuel's RSX?

I dont think anyone should take suspension tips from a guy that runs coilover "sleeve" LOL

only reason you know civic/integra is because it's been done to death. it's 2007 man, not 2000.

funny how a honda owners always compare cars by weight. I know what "power to weight" ratio is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OK, now you lost all credibility when it comes to track. It's obvious don't know much about the track.

Sleeve coilover vs expensive JDM: springs are springs, the sleeves dont move, and whether the shock is threaded or a sleeve is in place, both perform the same. Break a tein when you go off, have fun paying to replacing it. There is a reason why Koni/GC is the choice among Honda Challenge racers.

The rsx has a unique setup that requires extremely heavy spring rates, an awkward motion ratio, and it lacks the double wishbone suspension that aids in making the older hondas capable.

I'm glad you know what power to weight ratio is, but thats not what I was referring to.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eyal 951 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The point of this thread was to showcase my idea of a fun civic, something different then you typically see on th A/C forum. </TD></TR></TABLE>

im sorry. Your car is a turd. There is nothing different about it that stands out and says to me "ooo lala". Please someone get me a glass of water, i think i just threw up in my mouth a little

 

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i bet you 10 bucks that you dont make that power with your current AEM intake. i'd say -10hp from your so call 144whp. your avg torque is tiny.

btw, i just like to call out cocky honda owners for fun. it's a sport</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not going to argue numbers. All you need to know is that the green line is the b16 intake arm with apexi filter (pictured above) the blue line is AEM CAI (w/velocity stack), and the magenta line is AEM CAI with 8" extension and velocity stack.

122 wtq is impressive for a mildly built SOHC. Show me a b16 making that, and we'll be looking at a b16 thats very modified. Thats on par with a stock GSR motor.

I'm sorry you find me cocky, I'll try and be less abrasive next time.

 

this is the A/C forum, you have to have cool JDM style parts or no one will look; you're just wasting your time.

So from what you're saying, a bone stock GSR with coilover sleeve can "eat" sti/evo at balcony? hahah

you're so naive

 

Looks like a fun track car, but I doubt it can outrun an EVO in anything but some really specific context, and I don't see how "built for the track" means it's better to have cast wheels and a single cam.

Not hating, I just think the way you're talking about your car might be a little out of wack. Fun track car that can hold its own? Probably. Single cam hatch with decent suspension that can pass an EVO with a driver that isn't a moron or even a B/K series hatch? Doubtful.

BTW, the benefits of double wishbone are mostly theoretically. Yes, it's a more ideal way to structure a suspension, but it that doesn't mean it has a tangible, practical advantage over a car with something different. An Civic doesn't have an advantage over a car with far more time and money put into its Macpherson setup. Example- DC2 vs DC5. There are teams who preferred to use the TSX for it's double wishbone, but a DC5 is at least as competent as a DC2.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is the A/C forum, you have to have cool JDM style parts or no one will look; you're just wasting your time.

So from what you're saying, a bone stock GSR with coilover sleeve can "eat" sti/evo at balcony? hahah

you're so naive</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope, never said that. Please read carefully before typing next time.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Regal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a fun track car, but I doubt it can outrun an EVO in anything but some really specific context, and I don't see how "built for the track" means it's better to have cast wheels and a single cam.

Not hating, I just think the way you're talking about your car might be a little out of wack. Fun track car that can hold its own? Probably. Single cam hatch with decent suspension that can pass an EVO with a driver that isn't a moron or even a B/K series hatch? Doubtful.

BTW, the benefits of double wishbone are mostly theoretically. Yes, it's a more ideal way to structure a suspension, but it that doesn't mean it has a tangible, practical advantage over a car with something different. An Civic doesn't have an advantage over a car with far more time and money put into its Macpherson setup. Example- DC2 vs DC5. There are teams who preferred to use the TSX for it's double wishbone, but a DC5 is at least as competent as a DC2.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A refreshing comment, thank you. The reason I stuck with the SOHC was for weight. Adding a B was obviously within my budget, but the lighter front end is an advantage I personally thought was something worth keeping.

I understand your hesitation with the evo. I'm merely speaking from experience. It could be that I've encountered the worts drivers ever, or I'm insanely fast (the latter being highly unlikely ) it's merely my experience.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is the A/C forum, you have to have cool JDM style parts or no one will look; you're just wasting your time.

So from what you're saying, a bone stock GSR with coilover sleeve can "eat" sti/evo at balcony? hahah

you're so naive</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry, but why do you come to this ******* website anymore?

 

I'll give you credit for dedication.

But the comment about the 'really really fun ugly chick' is a little too far.

After all, it's still a sohc

 

nice little track car...just curious have u considered any kind of safety items at all(ie. roll bar w/ harnesses and and seat)?

as for the evo/sti killer comment...i dont doubt it could hold its own at a short track like streets or horse theif...but on something like big willow it prob wouldnt hang w an evo...that being said, roadracing is 90% driver 10% car( have seen first hand...people come to the track thinking because they have a ferrari they should automatcially be in an advanced run group...only to be smoked by a sentra lol)

maybe i will see you out at the track sometime
heres some pics of my little track *****(gone now and building a much more track-biased one)

https://honda-tech.com/gara...=3355

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Damon Reeves &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll give you credit for dedication.

But the comment about the 'really really fun ugly chick' is a little too far.

After all, it's still a sohc </TD></TR></TABLE>

D's &gt; B's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is the A/C forum, you have to have cool JDM style parts or no one will look; you're just wasting your time.

So from what you're saying, a bone stock GSR with coilover sleeve can "eat" sti/evo at balcony? hahah

you're so naive</TD></TR></TABLE>


haha that wasnt e ven remotely what he said

for u!

nice car i love to see a car that is tracked regularly..... thats more than i can say.