Toda D or Skunk 2 Pro 3
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Toda D or Skunk 2 Pro 3
which cam is better, Toda D or skunk 2 pro 3? wanna see some dyno comparisons if anyone has any. this is gonna be in a full drag car with 86.5mm bore 14.5:1 compression motor.
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well i cant tell you but i will say this i know alot of people tryin the pro 3 and not working out for them my brother has a 86.5 ls/v 16:1 and went pro 3 and now they are getting pulled out to go pro 2 again
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Just curious, where did you degree the 3's at? They have made more than the 2's on a few engines we have done back to back on the dyno. Have not dynoed the TODA D's so I can not answer the orig. question. Tom (Tbone) seems to have gotten good numbers from the Pro3's at RLZ's.
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pro 2's were not at zero, 3's are big cams but i hear pro's DONT make more power over the pro2's until you go real high like 8.5+ but i DONT know to much about this guys setup. but on your head or the heads you have seen with the pro they were DONT right and really BUILT (if so define built for this guy) so i guess im saying if your head is fully built then try your luck with the pro3's
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro 2's were not at zero, 3's are big cams but i hear pro's DONT make more power over the pro2's until you go real high like 8.5+ but i DONT know to much about this guys setup. but on your head or the heads you have seen with the pro they were DONT right and really BUILT (if so define built for this guy) so i guess im saying if your head is fully built then try your luck with the pro3's</TD></TR></TABLE>
you HEAR but saw no proof.
Youre head being "fully built" (i hate that term) has nothing to do with making more power with the pro3's. Knowing where they like to "sit" is they key, as DonF was alluding to.
you HEAR but saw no proof.
Youre head being "fully built" (i hate that term) has nothing to do with making more power with the pro3's. Knowing where they like to "sit" is they key, as DonF was alluding to.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well he was worried about p2v clearance so im sure it was near dead zero</TD></TR></TABLE>
WOW, just wow
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro 2's were not at zero, 3's are big cams but i hear pro's DONT make more power over the pro2's until you go real high like 8.5+ but i DONT know to much about this guys setup. but on your head or the heads you have seen with the pro they were DONT right and really BUILT (if so define built for this guy) so i guess im saying if your head is fully built then try your luck with the pro3's</TD></TR></TABLE>
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WOW, just wow
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro 2's were not at zero, 3's are big cams but i hear pro's DONT make more power over the pro2's until you go real high like 8.5+ but i DONT know to much about this guys setup. but on your head or the heads you have seen with the pro they were DONT right and really BUILT (if so define built for this guy) so i guess im saying if your head is fully built then try your luck with the pro3's</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
WOW, just wow
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you build your own motors and that 11.5 was that "street car"(not d.d but no! dummy doors,hood,front end)
WOW, just wow
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</TD></TR></TABLE>you build your own motors and that 11.5 was that "street car"(not d.d but no! dummy doors,hood,front end)
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With the Pro2/3's, start at +2i, +4e and tune from there.
Any aftermarket piston will have enough clearance with Pro3's to run at least 6 degrees, if not more.
With CP shelf pistons and ~10thou combined off head/block, I have over 8 degres of clearance on the intake cam.
As for the original question, havn't seen TODA D's come through the shop yet, can't offer a comparison.
Any aftermarket piston will have enough clearance with Pro3's to run at least 6 degrees, if not more.
With CP shelf pistons and ~10thou combined off head/block, I have over 8 degres of clearance on the intake cam.
As for the original question, havn't seen TODA D's come through the shop yet, can't offer a comparison.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DSRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.importreview.com/re....html
(might help a little)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really, those are the original skunk2 stage 2 and 3 cams not the pro series.
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Not really, those are the original skunk2 stage 2 and 3 cams not the pro series.
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well yes i do build my own motors and no my car isnt street legal. yet i dont run at magical east coast or cali tracks, enough said.
its just that your spouting off hearsay and you know nothing about how his cams are setup yet you say they are "zeroed out". might want to learn something before you go spouting raw crap out of your mouth. it makes you look like an idiot.
i have pro 2s in my car and i have pro 3s sitting on the shelf here so at least i can say start here start there type of thing whereas you can spout random crap without any knowledge. see what im saying? im not trying to start a pissing match i have plenty of those going in other threads.
also looking at your "brothers" setup it shows hes got a assload of compression a bigger motor and a bigger crank than me. that equals TQ to which some "street" cars can kick my ***. with that being said apples to apples.
my pro 2s make peak power at 9500 which is probably due to the smaller crank whereas a bigger cranked motor probably wouldnt make power that high. this is also dependent upon the rest of the head, IM, TB, and header chosen.
hopefully ill get my pro 3s in there and dyno those before the end of the season.
its just that your spouting off hearsay and you know nothing about how his cams are setup yet you say they are "zeroed out". might want to learn something before you go spouting raw crap out of your mouth. it makes you look like an idiot.
i have pro 2s in my car and i have pro 3s sitting on the shelf here so at least i can say start here start there type of thing whereas you can spout random crap without any knowledge. see what im saying? im not trying to start a pissing match i have plenty of those going in other threads.
also looking at your "brothers" setup it shows hes got a assload of compression a bigger motor and a bigger crank than me. that equals TQ to which some "street" cars can kick my ***. with that being said apples to apples.
my pro 2s make peak power at 9500 which is probably due to the smaller crank whereas a bigger cranked motor probably wouldnt make power that high. this is also dependent upon the rest of the head, IM, TB, and header chosen.
hopefully ill get my pro 3s in there and dyno those before the end of the season.
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well first i didnt say anything negative about you or your car so you can stop trying to defend your self and what magic track in cali we only have 1 good 1/4 track that is open once a year and 1 1/8 with a millions v8 so i dont understand how you wanna start with the only reason the cars are fast out here is the track there are alot of great builders thats why,11.5 for an all motor car is quick would be better if it was in a street car but good luck with that. will see what my brothers car does should be around an 11.7-11.6 stock crank. still has the 3's so if those go back in maybe we can see 11.5 out of his car. OH and sorry bro did some looking and couldnt find any dyno or anything comparing the two cams.
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thanks for all the input so far. i have the 3s right now and a friend has a set of toda ds that he wants to sell me. i just wanna see what was better. i would do a dyno testing between the 2 just to see but the cams he has are brand new and he really doenst wanna donate them.
As for the head, its a square ported alaniz b16 head with 52mm twm itbs. the motor made 245 before with blox hsl cams. motor just got freshened up and i thought i should just change out the cams.
i guess i'll try out the pro 3s and see what kinda power i make. i was running pro 1s in a 84.5mm gsr with 12:1 comp making 233. so im pretty sure the 3s will be better. should have some results in a couple of weeks, just waiting on my chassis to get finished
As for the head, its a square ported alaniz b16 head with 52mm twm itbs. the motor made 245 before with blox hsl cams. motor just got freshened up and i thought i should just change out the cams.
i guess i'll try out the pro 3s and see what kinda power i make. i was running pro 1s in a 84.5mm gsr with 12:1 comp making 233. so im pretty sure the 3s will be better. should have some results in a couple of weeks, just waiting on my chassis to get finished
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20beast978 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good luck with that man...im throwing my pro 2's in this weekend on my 84mm b20vtec..ill post results when i get them!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks i wanna see what kinda power those make. what is your compression
thanks i wanna see what kinda power those make. what is your compression
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by InLtegSra94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Big diff. between the pro2's and original Stage 2 cams? Can anyone offer any input? 
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Not really..the top end is actually almost the same.. the primaries are a huge difference however..which is why V2v clearence becomes an issues.. but as far as i know up top the peak power really didn't differ.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Not really..the top end is actually almost the same.. the primaries are a huge difference however..which is why V2v clearence becomes an issues.. but as far as i know up top the peak power really didn't differ.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcloo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro3's or toda d?
for me its all depend on your car setup purpose
drag race/street race
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full drag car. back halfed eg
for me its all depend on your car setup purpose
drag race/street race
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full drag car. back halfed eg
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20beast978 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good luck with that man...im throwing my pro 2's in this weekend on my 84mm b20vtec..ill post results when i get them!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
my CR is 12:5 with supertech springs and retainers and sk2 pro cam gears
my CR is 12:5 with supertech springs and retainers and sk2 pro cam gears
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Not really..the top end is actually almost the same.. the primaries are a huge difference however..which is why V2v clearence becomes an issues.. but as far as i know up top the peak power really didn't differ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't see why or how this would be a true statement.....since when does V2V clearance become an issue for primaries only and not the secondaries? Secondary lift when Vtec is activated is larger then the primaries. as for the cams....they are different, not the same or almost the same. everything differs....center lines differ, lift differs, duration differs..... what size valve are you using in order to have primary v2v issues? and if primary v2v is an issue then what do you call secondary v2v clearance?
Not really..the top end is actually almost the same.. the primaries are a huge difference however..which is why V2v clearence becomes an issues.. but as far as i know up top the peak power really didn't differ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't see why or how this would be a true statement.....since when does V2V clearance become an issue for primaries only and not the secondaries? Secondary lift when Vtec is activated is larger then the primaries. as for the cams....they are different, not the same or almost the same. everything differs....center lines differ, lift differs, duration differs..... what size valve are you using in order to have primary v2v issues? and if primary v2v is an issue then what do you call secondary v2v clearance?