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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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Default gc/koni help^<><>^

just installed gc coilovers(350/300), koni yellow sp3's, and gc extended top hats yesterday, and go for about an hour drive around the city to figure out that it rides really bad. it will hit one bump and not stop bouncing for another few seconds after (i am all the way down on the coilovers and on the lowest clip on the shock, but i didnt think it would ride this bad)

also, everytime i hit a small bump i hear a thunk thunk thunk coming from my front suspension, almost sounds like its bottoming out, is this the case?

any idea on what that is? or why my car is riding horribly?

my skunk2 pro series rode so much better, and i thought it would be the other way around(gc/koni riding better)

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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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Default Re: gc/koni help^<><>^ (krazyteg)

pics of ride height? how low are you?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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Your way too low, your riding around on your bumpstops. With the konis you should keep the clip at the stock ride height setting, and you shouldn't be all the way down on the coils.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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are you using the koni specific ground control sleeve?

and are you using the stock dust covers?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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yea to the koni specific sleeve, and no to the stock dust covers

im not as slammed as some ppl that use this setup (heymikey, py, etc. etc.), and they seem to say it rides good

ill post a pic really quick to show how low i am
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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im also thinkin it could be a installation error, or my spring rates are too soft for the revalved konis
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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youre slammed.


you need to raise up.


and yeah, your springs rates are pretty low for this.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

you need to raise up.

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im sitting at my comp not thinking im low enough lol

but do you think a more agressive spring rate will fix this problem? like 450/350, or even 500/400?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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i highly doubt ill ever raise it up, its just weird that my skunk2's were almost as low, but rode alot better (but they had 8k 6k spring rates)
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krazyteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am all the way down on the coilovers and on the lowest clip on the shock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's no way you can be all the way down and that is the lowest it will go. When I first installed my Koni Yellow/GC setup on my civic...I was on the center/stock circlip and the pearches still had tons of threads to go down. Something is amiss here. Can you take a picture of the actual shock/coilovers with the wheels off the car?

Maybe it's the difference between the sp3's and the yellows...but who knows.

Mine before I raised it up.






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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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only the front is down all the way, the back is like 3/4 down

yea let me get a pic for you real quick, i also thought it would be lower than this but iono
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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i really recommend that you raise your ride height, youll get a better ride.

but yes, getting stiffer springs and shorter spring will help your situation.

look in this thread for trading springs.
https://honda-tech.com/zero...97356


Modified by Tyson at 3:02 PM 6/5/2007
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Maybe you have the wrong shocks for the car?

One time my buddy was sold the wrong year shocks for his accord and when we installed them...the perches were so low...we couldn't even get his frame up off the ground. There was like two inches of clearance.
I ended up checking part numbers on the website...sure enough. He had 94-97 Accord shocks and his car was 98 Accord.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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yea im looking on the site right now, but all i can find is the front springs which are 200.64.67

my rears are 180.64.44

the fronts are saying its a spring rate of 380, but i ordered custom 350/300, maybe they sent me the standard integra rates instead of my custom ones?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krazyteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea im looking on the site right now, but all i can find is the front springs which are 200.64.67

my rears are 180.64.44

the fronts are saying its a spring rate of 380, but i ordered custom 350/300, maybe they sent me the standard integra rates instead of my custom ones?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, no, no...SHOCKS...the yellow sticks that the red slinky's wrap around.

Go to the KONI site and look up part numbers.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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Default Re: gc/koni help^<><>^ (Tyson)

ok ill look up the shocks

but there is a sticker on the box the springs came in that say:

front spring: 200.64.67
rear spring: 180.64.44

the numbers are hand written in there, so that was a mistake?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:25 PM
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Switch the springs around...back to front.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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the shocks are correct

but on ground controls website it shows that the 200.64.67 has the harder spring rate(380)
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:31 PM
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By looking at the picture...it looks like they sent him the correct spring rates...just backwards. If that is the case...they'll probably send you a new set of fronts with the correct spring rate.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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so the front rates and rear rates are in the correct place, but i have rear springs in front and front springs in the rear?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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ok. i saw things wrong and got confused. i thought you had the 250's (44) over the fronts.

front spring: 200.64.67
rear spring: 180.64.44

these are the correct spring rates. 375/250 (actually i thought they gave 280's for the rear for integras. 250's for civics...) but not for you. especially since you ordered 350/300. you should get something stiffer than 350/300 tho.

and you should be getting some shorter springs in the front too.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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any suggestions? i was thinking 500/400, or maybe 450/350

also, what size springs should i get?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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7" 450 in the front would be fine. i have a used set for sale...

im still not guaranteeing a good ride being that low.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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well im pretty sure i can get some new springs from the place i ordered since they got it wrong

what should i get for the back? size and spring rate?
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