I'm about to start a Built All Motor H2B Swap but want to get some experienced feedback and opinions please...

First I want to know what are the advantages of doing a H2B swap? and disvantages. Shooting for a balanced power range low - high end.

I understand bseries tranny should be better if Quartersports and Evolutions created this adapter plate, but what can I gain by this? and what will I have to sacrafice?

Which VTEC Tranny Is Best?!
I know LS is out of the question so B16 or GSR?
Being that the H22 is not really meant for high rpms, more for torque...

Which tranny will best suit and provide the H22 the ultimate power?

I know B16 have the shortest gear ratios, so will that tranny be reving to quick for the H22, or will it work best?

The GSR has a little longer gear ratio, so will that give me enough to reach the full power of the H22?

<U>Any Feedback and Opinions is greatly appriciated....thankz</U>

 

ups: b series trannys are a little bit less expensive and more available. They tolerate high rpm's better than h series, you dont have to hack up your car to convert to cable shifter, and b series trannys are a little bit lighter.

downs: H2B kit costs almost a grand, you have to notch out the block to fit it.

My experience with h22 trans is that it is bulletproof as long as you do not abuse it, and do not take it past 7200 rpm. It is my opinion that people gained this misconception about h trannys being junk because they do tend to fall apart when you rev the **** out of them. They were not designed for high R's. Its the same situation like 2 years ago, every last person on HT said that a stock h22 with turbo will not last a month. In your case since you are going NA, you probably will want to rev past 7200 so i would suggest H2b for you and gsr tranny.

 

ok everyone is gonna jump down my throat about this one but its just my opinion:

First off and h22 can rev just like a b series it make more torque just through displacement. i have friends who have them with just boltons, and tuning of course, taking their h22 to 9500 on stock bottom end, its all about making that car breathe.

With that being said, for an h22 i'd probably use an ls or gsr tranny seeing as though you will have more power to turn longer gears . im using an ls tranny on my gsr right now and i love it. i can only imagine how wonderful it would be when paired with an h22 with so much more torque than what i have. i shift at 8700 rpm and my 1st gear goes to 40mph, my second goes to 70, 3rd 110, 4th about 145, and 5th....well just fast lol....if you like quicker gears i'd use the gsr, if you like longer gears i'd use the ls. in my opinion, the b16 is wayyy too short for the amount of torque that the h22 makes. although you may have faster acceleration with it at first, you may lose top because those gears are so rediculously short. plus on the highway with that transmission you'll be at like 5k+ rpm at normal driving speeds. also as a result of having such quick gears you may have more traction problems.

 

Shorter gears are going to get you down the 1/4 mile faster, longer gears are going to get you better gas mileage or enless you plan on going turbo. Its depends on what suits your needs.

 

That is a pretty broad generalization that is mostly untrue...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is a pretty broad generalization that is mostly untrue...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Christ on a crutch, the misinformation is astounding!!

Whatever that BS was about having more displacement to turn longer gears, don't believe him.

use a gsr, itr, or b16 tranny. If you want to get sexy, use a gsr final drive in the b16 tranny.

Pro's - can gost about the same as a gsr swap
It's fast
many h2b'ers run 13's and mid 12's out of the box.
Wiring is a sinch.
200hp 160 tq
Did I mention it's fast?

Con's - I'll get back to you when I find some.

 

hahahaha ek guy your always in the h2b threads!
oh yeah by the way i used a ctr tranny on my h2b.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dannis. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hahahaha ek guy your always in the h2b threads!
oh yeah by the way i used a ctr tranny on my h2b.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Street Monster

it'd be cool if I actually had an h2b

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Christ on a crutch, the misinformation is astounding!!

Whatever that BS was about having more displacement to turn longer gears, don't believe him.

use a gsr, itr, or b16 tranny. If you want to get sexy, use a gsr final drive in the b16 tranny.

Pro's - can gost about the same as a gsr swap
It's fast
many h2b'ers run 13's and mid 12's out of the box.
Wiring is a sinch.
200hp 160 tq
Did I mention it's fast?

Con's - I'll get back to you when I find some.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't be a douche bag, you know as well as I do that you cant generalize this into "shorter gears mean faster quarter, and longer gears mean slower quarter." If your setup is good enough to necessitate a shift into 5th gear within the quarter mile, you are losing performance. There is no misinformation.

 

Shorter gears do not always = faster 1/4 times.

the 3000gt/Stealth platform has US/Euro gearing, and Japanese gearing(MR), the J-spec gearing has shorter gears for faster acceleration, but its a proven fact in the community that the 3si runs faster 1/4 with the euro gearing, that is until you start breaking into the the 10's, at which point you get better times out of the MR gearing, so in this time and time again proven case, shorter gears dont always result in faster 1/4 times.

Point of the matter? Ones choice in gearing is based strongly on the engine, higher output turbo cars tend to benefit well from longer gearing, remember everytime you shift you need to spool the turbo back up, so if your ending the 1/4 in 5th gear instead of 3rd you are essentially hurting yourself by shifting 2 more times and suffering boost lag, powershifting helps alleviat this, but unless you have deep pockets for new trannies and clutches you wont always race like this. Longer gears also help defeat the killer wheelspin that turbo honda's tend to suffer.

 

i have used ls, gsr, b16, ctr, and itr tranmissions before. in my all motor LS/Vtec i perfer the B16/ITR/CTR. in my turbo car I had the GSR transmission and it was a bit too quick for the setup (wheel spin w/ 600whp). so i installed a LS and after a week i quickly went back to the GSR. maybe i was just used to the short gears because with the LS i found my self shifting early without even noticing. it all depends on what the driver wants in my opinion. in my h2b i will be using my CTR

 

did it help the wheelspin? i didnt particularly care for ls either

 

i ran a b16 tranny on my dd h2b setup, and i would never run a gsr tranny.

short gears ftw!

-alex

 

I don't know what other pple have written (and i don't feel like reading it all) - but H2B costs an assload and is a bit tricky (you have to saw down the block so the intermediate shaft doesn't hit the block or some crap like that) - once its in it kicks *** though.

 

h22 longblock from hmotors 1200
adapter kit/mounts from evolution 1000
b16 tranny 800

that's 3,000 and most of your swap.

another 500-1000 and any misc parts should be covered.

 

it did NOT help with wheel spin. all it did was lag my wheel spin, ie i usually get wheel spin when i get on it with the GSR. but with the LS i just get the same wheel spin but later on instead. same **** in the end... i just liked the GSR better because my 3rd/4th is where my turbo wakes up. GSR got me there faster

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 longblock from hmotors 1200
adapter kit/mounts from evolution 1000
b16 tranny 800

that's 3,000 and most of your swap.

another 500-1000 and any misc parts should be covered.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You'll end up paying more than 1200 for the H22.

 

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30028

H22A 92-95 Long Block

Price: $ 1200.00 Plus shipping and handling.
Availability: In Stock

- Motor
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Injectors
- Fuel Rail
- Throttle body
- Alternator
- Distributor
- P13 ECU (Add $200)

h22 ftw baby.

 

*** h2b, http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/334174511.html FTW!

 

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Good deal, but the h2b does take out a lot of the headache. And you get better gearing, I could talk about it all night.

h22, or h2b, in the end it all ends up being the difference of cable/hydro preference, axles, and tranny parts. H tranny's are flippin' expensive. Not to mention they don't like to rev.

 

but that price.... i could finish that whole swap in a hatch turnkey for another 250... A $750 complete h22 LSD civic swap!? Hell yea!

And then take the remaining 2250 it would cost for the h2b and put together a ramhorn/gt30r turbo kit, have it dyno tuned for some SERIOUS power, and still probably have 200-500 left over for this and that to make it perfect...


Modified by oneludesol at 10:50 PM 5/21/2007

 

who the hell would prefer to use a cable tranny? LOL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who the hell would prefer to use a cable tranny? LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

No one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but that price.... i could finish that whole swap in a hatch turnkey for another 250... A $750 complete h22 LSD civic swap!? Hell yea!

And then take the remaining 2250 it would cost for the h2b and put together a ramhorn/gt30r turbo kit, have it dyno tuned for some SERIOUS power, and still probably have 200-500 left over for this and that to make it perfect...


Modified by oneludesol at 10:50 PM 5/21/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is true, but think about it. How many people on a daily basis come into here, post their "B18c vs B16a" opinion threads and neglect the fact that a 200hp range motor with good torque could be had for the price of a B18c swap?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95ProjectEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is true, but think about it. How many people on a daily basis come into here, post their "B18c vs B16a" opinion threads and neglect the fact that a 200hp range motor with good torque could be had for the price of a B18c swap? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, it's fairly new in the swap world and people are negligent to place much trust in it. Plus the h2b doesn't have much word spread around. Any punk with street opbtained knowledge has only heard about the "almighty b16" that comes in the ferrari of a car called the civic Si.

Too many rumors and telltales have been made about the h22 since people started trying it in the 90's. It's all overflowed and expanded into misinformation and terrible debate.