So I've heard you can use OE b16 inners with OE LS Outers for a cheap but somewhat efficient dual valvespring set up.. Has anyone ever tried it? Im curious because im doing a budget LS build right now and that sounds like a mod i might wanna try to save some money.

 

Im not all too sure if that is possible, but remember this..

Cheap and reliable do not go together.

 

if you want OE get some CTR/ITR.

 

I can use CTR/ITR valve springs in and LS head?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t . b o z &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im not all too sure if that is possible, but remember this..

Cheap and reliable do not go together.</TD></TR></TABLE>

also remember this is all oe equipment.. Meaning built to last..

 

Any one else got any input?

 

TTT for info

 

LS retainers do not have an inner flat"pearch" for an inner spring.

 

i'm running b16 outters and b16 inners on the intake and exhaust with all b16 retainers and keepers with itr cams and the thing runs MINT so far for 3000 miles!!!!

 

How do you get the retainers and keepers that are for 5.5mm valve stems to fit the 6.6mm LS valve stems?
Just figured it out with the cam spec. You cannot read.

 

I bet you didn't know that all b series valve train except itr intake valves share the same part no. check hondapartsunlimited.com and you'll find out. BTW I tried to fit ls keepers on my pr3 valves and in dosen't work so fyi I know what i'm talking about too, just like you!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by haveaNOSday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm running b16 outters and b16 inners on the intake and exhaust with all b16 retainers and keepers with itr cams and the thing runs MINT so far for 3000 miles!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

How are you running itr cams in a LS head. Remember he is building a ls, not a vtec motor...

 

the first letters of this entire thread were LS

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by haveaNOSday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bet you didn't know that all b series valve train except itr intake valves share the same part no. check hondapartsunlimited.com and you'll find out. BTW I tried to fit ls keepers on my pr3 valves and in dosen't work so fyi I know what i'm talking about too, just like you!!!</TD></TR></TABLE> So how is your LS running with the ITR cams and "R" retainers, keepers? Inquireing minds want to know.

 

who in the hell would pay several hundred bucks for type r cams for a ls when you could buy crower 403's/404's for almost the same price.

 

Ok well honestly i still havent found the answer. So is the answer no for LS outters with b16 inners in an LS head?

**PLEASE NOTE THIS IS AN NON-VTEC LS MOTOR BUILD**

 

The valve stems on the non-vtec engine is thicker than the vtec counterparts? How the hell are you going to use the vtec springs and retainers on a non-vtec engine????

 

That's why im asking because i don't know... Im gonna mic the two valve springs here soon and see if there is in fact a difference.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by haveaNOSday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bet you didn't know that all b series valve train except itr intake valves share the same part no. check hondapartsunlimited.com</TD></TR></TABLE>

this statement contradicts this statement... So which is true?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phil M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The valve stems on the non-vtec engine is thicker than the vtec counterparts? How the hell are you going to use the vtec springs and retainers on a non-vtec engine????</TD></TR></TABLE>

im really hoping a allmotor guru can chime in and help me out

 

dont listen to the tard saying hes running ITR cams he cant read.

anyway you can put b16 inner and outer on the intake side but not the exhaust side. the exhaust springs on a LS are taller where on a vtec they are the same height.

the problem lies in the seat and the retainer, the stock LS retainer (wich you have to use because of the stem diameter of the valve) doesnt have a seat for the inner spring and neither does the spring seat. i know people that have done this though with no problems so take it for what its worth. since its only good for the intake side i wouldnt recommend it for much more than regrind cams, there are some pretty cost effective single springs out there for LS heads that can utilize stock retainers no problem and will handle alot more than a set of b16 intake springs.

 

So i can use the vtec OUTTERS instead of oe ls but no inners because there is no inner spring pearch? That seems like the correct answer i was looking for. I was wondering if this would be some what benificial to use on crower 402 stage ones?
Becasue i know the Vtec srpings have high spring rates the the ls valve springs correct?

 

You cannot use them on the EX side as they are too short, and if you shim up the bottom pearch you cannot fit the seal on correctly.

 

So would there be any benefit to running Vtec springs on the Intake side?

 

Just go out and buy a set of springs for the engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">since its only good for the intake side i wouldnt recommend it for much more than regrind cams, there are some pretty cost effective single springs out there for LS heads that can utilize stock retainers no problem and will handle alot more than a set of b16 intake springs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Buy some Rocket, Skunk, or Crower springs for an LS.

 

yeah ive had good luck with my rocket springs and stock retainers