Man I am tired of hearing different stories of what a F22 stock internals will hold in HP. Yeah we know the pistons the weakest link. Yeah we know the sleeves are cast iron. But Im tired of hearing people talk about there 335whp on a stock SOHC f22. Then I hear they only hold 250hp, Then you have the few stating that theres blew up at 230hp. I dont want to know what is the safest and dangerous boost psi. Who knows the amount of CFM can the block hold ?

What could be done as far as upgrades (turbo, injectors, exhaust, ect) to achieve 335whp on stock Block w/ Stock internals ?

If the block is capable of holding 250whp then why would a motor blow with less horse power? Ok I know milage has a factor . Lets say its around 20-40k miles.

 

why are you so bent set on keeping stock internals? Just upgrade it and don't be so upset you melted your rings.

 

I think its impossible to make 350 WHP on stock internals with an F22 motor...or probably any Honda motor for that matter. To try and do it would be just stupid.

If your too ignorant to buy upgraded internals, then you probably have too much money for your own good. Or you are just uneducated to the workings of an internal combustion engine.

 

yeah dude you need to change those parts cause well all turbo to top drag do it in order to make sure no bangs or misfire or wrong pickup happens off launch

 

Oh no , I have nothing stock about my f22b1 motor. It has been Sleeved with Dartons, Titanium rods, Weisco 87mm forged pistons, Acl bearings. The crank has been balanced and knifed. The head has been ported , polished , stainless steel valves, springs, and titanium retainers. Turbo cam from f22parts.com , AEM cam gear, skunk2 intake, 72mm throttle body , turbonetics t3t4 turbo kit, hondata ecu s200, gm 3 bar map sensor, Quiafe 1.5 way LSD , fidenza 8.8lb flywheel,ACT Extreme pressure plate with extreme 6 puck racing disk, fidenza stage 3 cv axels, tokiyo suspension, ST sway bars. innovative boost controller. 550 rc injectors, Aem fuel rail and 275lph fuel pump , not to mention the stuff that doesnt make the car better, body kit , hood, what knots that are just for show. I built my motor to hold 25-35psi from any turbo , This block is indestructable.

I am not concerned about my motor any more, I just want to know the facts on what this F22 motor will hold as far as the stock internals in the block goes.

Everyone says these motors are boost friendly, I beg to differ, I think if your boosting any motor, you should build it to hold boost, But why are so many people stating that the f22 block will only hold so much power 350,250,200. Thats too wide of a range for me too believe. I think that the stock pistons will only hold 210-220 , depending on wear and tear. And I am sure that you cant get 335whp on all stock internals. NO WAY !!

 

then why didn't you do that in the first place? You wouldn't be rebuilding the motor right now. You should have listened to Mark when he told you he wasn't responsible.

 

your question makes no sense to me....maybe I had one too many beers

 

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Seriously? It's all in the tuning. It happends frequently with b series motors.

 

OH your so sure huh, I will scan my dyno sheet and post it tonight when I get home if you like?!?

Well I am sorry your sick of hearing about it but I did it and it did not have any problems until it had a boost spike that lifted the head. I guess my tuner knows something your does not or whatever... I dont care. Talk about butt hurt, you broke your **** and now you all salty about it... telling ME what I did or did not do.

Mr Wonderful and other have made over 300 whp on a stock f as well... I guess they are also bullshitting huh.

 

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The block is capable of hold alot more than that, your barking up the wrong tree with this assumption. It is the pistons that are the weak point.

Edit: Oh and even your indestructible motor can be destroyed... a tank of bad gas, a sketchy tune, boost spike, detonation, they will eat even a built motor like candy. Yes it is stronger but that does not mean it is indestructible, by any means.

 

I say go on what you know. If you dont believe it will hold X amount of HP or whatever, build it the way you want.

 

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Exactly, and dont come in here to bitch (no offense, just seems like it) about what other people have done cause you could not and thought it was some kind of cookie cutter logic that it should have held by default. Yes they will hold a good amount of hp/ torque but you better be damn sure you know what your doing... it requires everything to be spot on, including the tune.

From what I read in the other post and replied to there... sound like the tuner slacked a bit and you got into boost before getting it tuned. Either of which will lead to problems.

BTW if your not prepapred to break something sometime, dont mod it! Its the nature of the beast, **** happens. I lifted a head and had to address fixing it, it happens. We are modding cars in a way they were not intended to be from the manufacturer... its not an exact science all the time.

 

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I want to see a dyno sheet of a honda motor with a stock crank, bearings, rods, pistons and girdle(if applicable) making 350 WHEEL HORSE POWER. I highly doubt it. that would have to be at least 400HP at the crank, and I dont think thats gonna happen with any stock honda motor. Your gonna melt a pistion, or throw a rod even with the best tune. The stock internals just arent ment to take over 3 times the amount of power from the factory.

Lets look at it this way. My integra B18B1 is rated at around 130-135 HP from the factory. which is about 100hp to the wheels, give or take. To achieve 350 to the wheels, you need to have a good power train so you dont lose too much power, but you will need atleast 400Hp at the crank. So, you mean to tell me that a connecting rod, or a bearing for that matter, that was designed for 130HP, can take a 300% increase in power and last? Or do you mean that the motor will make 1 pull and then blow a hole in the block?

 

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I want to see a dyno sheet of a honda motor with a stock crank, bearings, rods, pistons and girdle(if applicable) making 350 WHEEL HORSE POWER. I highly doubt it. that would have to be at least 400HP at the crank, and I dont think thats gonna happen with any stock honda motor. Your gonna melt a pistion, or throw a rod even with the best tune. The stock internals just arent ment to take over 3 times the amount of power from the factory.

Lets look at it this way. My integra B18B1 is rated at around 130-135 HP from the factory. which is about 100hp to the wheels, give or take. To achieve 350 to the wheels, you need to have a good power train so you dont lose too much power, but you will need atleast 400Hp at the crank. So, you mean to tell me that a connecting rod, or a bearing for that matter, that was designed for 130HP, can take a 300% increase in power and last? Or do you mean that the motor will make 1 pull and then blow a hole in the block?</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4450

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4556

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=3788

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4065

 

a f22 can blow with only 100hp. it depends on the condition of the engine, setup, and TUNE.

pistons arent the weakest link, ringlands are.

 

http://www.customtints.com/Hon...i.wmv

click the link, maybe touching or getting close to 300ish at 17psi.

stock F23 on AEM EMS, tuning done by me

 

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I want to see a dyno sheet of a honda motor with a stock crank, bearings, rods, pistons and girdle(if applicable) making 350 WHEEL HORSE POWER. I highly doubt it. that would have to be at least 400HP at the crank, and I dont think thats gonna happen with any stock honda motor. Your gonna melt a pistion, or throw a rod even with the best tune. The stock internals just arent ment to take over 3 times the amount of power from the factory.

Lets look at it this way. My integra B18B1 is rated at around 130-135 HP from the factory. which is about 100hp to the wheels, give or take. To achieve 350 to the wheels, you need to have a good power train so you dont lose too much power, but you will need atleast 400Hp at the crank. So, you mean to tell me that a connecting rod, or a bearing for that matter, that was designed for 130HP, can take a 300% increase in power and last? Or do you mean that the motor will make 1 pull and then blow a hole in the block?</TD></TR></TABLE>

want to see my dyno sheet? it is not 350, but I did do 335 whp.

 

I think when you're seeing the 230/250 are people that are keeping stock internals and not pushing the limits on the boost amount. If I were to go turbo I'd aim there as I daily drive my car and don't want it to blow up.

There's a 500hp h22 accord I believe (that white one?) Might just be 400, but still impressive.

 

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There's a 500hp h22 accord I believe (that white one?) Might just be 400, but still impressive. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a couple of them... btw the ones I know of on here are all built motors.

If you want to daily drive a car and not blow it up eventually, dont mod it.

 

Well after asking every honda performance tech in the state of va (almost ) there is no way stock pistons , nor the rings will hold over 250chp. If you have 350chp then you dont have stock pistons. The f22 motors were made for the everyday grocery getter for moms. They were never intended on pushing that much hp. Also I was informed that Honda F22B1 motor , those were built very loose and there is no way that rods nor pistons will take no more than 250chp. You can tune all day !! Youll blow that F22 before you see 350chp. I'm sorry I dont believe that you can achieve that on all stock internals. And if you are for some freak of nature. Then say good bye valves. Boosting to get 350chp and stock valves. 30secs of boost will burn em'

 

I'd say this thread was ended after cambopheonix56 answered. Nice post!

LOL i think this guys been owned.

 

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http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4450

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4556

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=3788

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=4065</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess you didnt understand my statement. I know its possible to make that much power, but how long will it last. 4-5x the stock power on the same component is a ticking time bomb......

 

Ok so I guess you do want to see my dyno sheet. Stock valve cover to pan besides the turbo kit and fuel management... yes that means STOCK internals and my valves are fine.

Honestly I think it could have been pushed further if I had more injector. For reference... I had no problems for a year at that power level until I had a nasty boost spike, caused by a vac. line coming off the wastegate (which was my fault, I forgot to put a zip tie or clamp on it).



Edit: Believe or not, freak of nature, whatever... honestly I dont care. I know, you probably think I am an ******* (cause I generally am)... but sorry to hear about your motor none the less. I just dont agree with your assessment here.

I do agree about building a motor (whatever series it is) for boost at some point, it is well worth it. I just wanted to have some fun with a stocker for a while and thats where I ended up at the time. Imo I think it is repeatable as well.

Hell I would love to push one further and show you 350whp or more is possible on a stock f motor but needless to say thats not an option anymore... plans changed...


Modified by twkdCD595 at 10:59 PM 5/15/2007

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1478127

630whp done on b series.
690whp done on f20c
646whp done on k series