Vortech Supercharger
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1st gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.
Re: Vortech Supercharger (Erik95LS)
the shop where i get all my work done, one guy has a 325whp fully built setup with a vortech and the other an EG saloon with a completely stock B18C4 (C1 to you guys) running 234 @ the wheels
both pull like bastards and REALLY perform, without much wheelspin in the dry at all
i think you guys are being a bit harsh
granted the first 3,000rpm doesn't do a lot. but then again, if you want to keep the cars engine characteristics with more power, why have it all in the lower range and sacrifice the top end? everything is proportionally more powerful than the stock engine at the relevant RPM's.
if you don't want these characteristics, why the ******* HELL do you own a Honda
both pull like bastards and REALLY perform, without much wheelspin in the dry at all
i think you guys are being a bit harsh
granted the first 3,000rpm doesn't do a lot. but then again, if you want to keep the cars engine characteristics with more power, why have it all in the lower range and sacrifice the top end? everything is proportionally more powerful than the stock engine at the relevant RPM's.
if you don't want these characteristics, why the ******* HELL do you own a Honda
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Re: Vortech Supercharger (vtec2nv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec2nv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just curios....what would be a fair amount of boost on the itr motor without having to worry about the internals? Im talkin about daily driven..with a heavy foot? 5-6psi?</TD></TR></TABLE>
This has been discussed several times, it is not about the PSI but about the power.
This has been discussed several times, it is not about the PSI but about the power.
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Re: Vortech Supercharger (vtec2nv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec2nv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^ok i was just curious...care to clarify a little</TD></TR></TABLE>
Above 275whp you're asking for trouble on stock internals.
Above 275whp you're asking for trouble on stock internals.
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Re: Vortech Supercharger (SOLOITR2001)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOLOITR2001 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so jackson racing is the one to go with?</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats what i found out after research and what alot of people recommended also.
i make decent power and it was quite a bit more less than the vortec supercharger
Modified by gosu08 at 1:49 PM 5/12/2007
thats what i found out after research and what alot of people recommended also.
i make decent power and it was quite a bit more less than the vortec supercharger
Modified by gosu08 at 1:49 PM 5/12/2007
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oh my wife's itr it made 220whp at 5psi..... and it's loud as expletive. power and torque curves are flat as anything ever
hp looks like this /
torque looks like this ___
did that make sense?
I'll see if I can load the dyno. It's pretty nice actually if you can get over the loud exhaust... but a nice final drive is what it's lacking for in low end. spools up around 4k iirc.
then it ate it's own shaft. POS
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1854773
that reminds me.... I still need to call vortech and bitch them out for a clown-*** design...
hp looks like this /
torque looks like this ___
did that make sense?
I'll see if I can load the dyno. It's pretty nice actually if you can get over the loud exhaust... but a nice final drive is what it's lacking for in low end. spools up around 4k iirc.
then it ate it's own shaft. POS
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1854773
that reminds me.... I still need to call vortech and bitch them out for a clown-*** design...
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Re: (Black R)
Hey, actually im curious about JRSC on an itr also. My R is mostly stock with a hytech 4-2-1 with jdm itr pipping and comptech ice box. About to hit 44,000 daily driver. Do I have to worry about internals if I am planning to boost around 5 psi?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by erasa510 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey, actually im curious about JRSC on an itr also. My R is mostly stock with a hytech 4-2-1 with jdm itr pipping and comptech ice box. About to hit 44,000 daily driver. Do I have to worry about internals if I am planning to boost around 5 psi?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you are boosting 5 psi then no. i hear that you can boost up to 8 or 9 without changing the internals which should get you around 250-260hp.
my car is currently running 5psi and i just installed the new pulley to boost 8 or 9 psi.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh my wife's itr it made 220whp at 5psi..... and it's loud as expletive. power and torque curves are flat as anything ever
hp looks like this /
torque looks like this ___
did that make sense?
I'll see if I can load the dyno. It's pretty nice actually if you can get over the loud exhaust... but a nice final drive is what it's lacking for in low end. spools up around 4k iirc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my curves are very linear with the JRSC. ill see if i can find my dyno sheets and upload them up here. i have a nice diagonal line throughout the powerband. i was tuned by tony at t1 race development and am really happy.
with the loud exhaust, i had 3" thermal and it was very loud and i switched the muffler for a twinloop one and its very quiet now. i am very happy. i can give up a few HP for quietness and comfort
i had the car tuned with hondata s300 and have all of the low end power that i need. the vtec kicks in at full throttle at 3k. daily driving at what is originally at 5.6k and then when at 75% throttle it will compromise and kick in anywhere between 3k and 5.6k.
next thing i need to get done is retuning for the new pully and then im set = )
if you are boosting 5 psi then no. i hear that you can boost up to 8 or 9 without changing the internals which should get you around 250-260hp.
my car is currently running 5psi and i just installed the new pulley to boost 8 or 9 psi.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh my wife's itr it made 220whp at 5psi..... and it's loud as expletive. power and torque curves are flat as anything ever
hp looks like this /
torque looks like this ___
did that make sense?
I'll see if I can load the dyno. It's pretty nice actually if you can get over the loud exhaust... but a nice final drive is what it's lacking for in low end. spools up around 4k iirc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my curves are very linear with the JRSC. ill see if i can find my dyno sheets and upload them up here. i have a nice diagonal line throughout the powerband. i was tuned by tony at t1 race development and am really happy.
with the loud exhaust, i had 3" thermal and it was very loud and i switched the muffler for a twinloop one and its very quiet now. i am very happy. i can give up a few HP for quietness and comfort
i had the car tuned with hondata s300 and have all of the low end power that i need. the vtec kicks in at full throttle at 3k. daily driving at what is originally at 5.6k and then when at 75% throttle it will compromise and kick in anywhere between 3k and 5.6k.
next thing i need to get done is retuning for the new pully and then im set = )
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Re: (GO-FIGHT-KILL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1st gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pretty much the same effect on the B20 Civic without the trip to the county Hilton.
Just a word about centrifugal blowers. The Vortech blower has a 72% adiabatic (look it up rooks) efficiency (most turbos have 65-75%) The Vortech robs a massive .75 HP per PSI from the engine.
Good GOD look at the size of that parasitic drag! 
Turbo's are also not 'free' power as people here seem to think. It takes power to make power, period.
Having a turbine in the exhaust flow increases the restriction in the exhaust. This means that on the exhaust stroke, the engine has to work harder against a higher back-pressure. This takes a little bit of power from the cylinders that are firing at that particular time.
If I were to purchase a new turbo or supercharger kit, I would certainly do some serious research and not listen to the sheep on the local forums. Every application will be different with different needs.
I think what we have here is a lack of education and hands on experience with the unit. With the price of the Vortech, I can understand. When you guys actually drive a car with a Vortech (or any other centrifugal blower for that matter) then respond. Until that point, you are simply a hater with an empty wallet.
Modified by Conclusive at 10:40 AM 5/19/2007
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pretty much the same effect on the B20 Civic without the trip to the county Hilton.
Just a word about centrifugal blowers. The Vortech blower has a 72% adiabatic (look it up rooks) efficiency (most turbos have 65-75%) The Vortech robs a massive .75 HP per PSI from the engine.
Good GOD look at the size of that parasitic drag! Turbo's are also not 'free' power as people here seem to think. It takes power to make power, period.
Having a turbine in the exhaust flow increases the restriction in the exhaust. This means that on the exhaust stroke, the engine has to work harder against a higher back-pressure. This takes a little bit of power from the cylinders that are firing at that particular time.
If I were to purchase a new turbo or supercharger kit, I would certainly do some serious research and not listen to the sheep on the local forums. Every application will be different with different needs.
I think what we have here is a lack of education and hands on experience with the unit. With the price of the Vortech, I can understand. When you guys actually drive a car with a Vortech (or any other centrifugal blower for that matter) then respond. Until that point, you are simply a hater with an empty wallet.
Modified by Conclusive at 10:40 AM 5/19/2007
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I would tend to agree... kinda.
I'd have to post the plot of the vortech, but the power curves both continue to go up... it's crazy. If you could rev to 12k, you could continue to make power and accelerate - no drop off.....! It's pretty nice once it gets going, and the air to water cooler makes it better than the jrsc out of the box.
The downside is the fit and finish of the kit leaves much to be desired.
I'd have to post the plot of the vortech, but the power curves both continue to go up... it's crazy. If you could rev to 12k, you could continue to make power and accelerate - no drop off.....! It's pretty nice once it gets going, and the air to water cooler makes it better than the jrsc out of the box.
The downside is the fit and finish of the kit leaves much to be desired.
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Re: (Black R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's pretty nice once it gets going, and the air to water cooler makes it better than the jrsc out of the box.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jackson Racing now uses a centrifugal type blower. That alone should sum up which type of blower is better.
http://www.jacksonracing.com/g...1.jpg
Thier new blowers look quite impressive!
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Jackson Racing now uses a centrifugal type blower. That alone should sum up which type of blower is better.
http://www.jacksonracing.com/g...1.jpg
Thier new blowers look quite impressive!
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Re: (GO-FIGHT-KILL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1st gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 200MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds like my car
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 200MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds like my car
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Re: Vortech Supercharger (tartje)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
but then again, if you want to keep the cars engine characteristics with more power, why have it all in the lower range and sacrifice the top end? everything is proportionally more powerful than the stock engine at the relevant RPM's.
if you don't want these characteristics, why the ******* HELL do you own a Honda </TD></TR></TABLE>
Best post of the thread.
I never had any issues with the below 3000 RPM's part. Light weight Civic + Type R 4.40 LSD made sure of that.
but then again, if you want to keep the cars engine characteristics with more power, why have it all in the lower range and sacrifice the top end? everything is proportionally more powerful than the stock engine at the relevant RPM's.
if you don't want these characteristics, why the ******* HELL do you own a Honda
</TD></TR></TABLE>Best post of the thread.
I never had any issues with the below 3000 RPM's part. Light weight Civic + Type R 4.40 LSD made sure of that.
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Re: (GO-FIGHT-KILL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1st gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol funny but true
2nd gear - Spinning/Rev limiter
3rd gear - Spinning/Starting to catch
4th gear - Pulling hard
5th gear - Clocked doing 130MPH in a 55MPH zone with 300ft tire marks behind you... Jail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol funny but true
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JRSC is very nice.
Here is my dyno graph.
You can see what I have done in my sig, but i have stock exhaust manifold, a very queit world sport 2 exhaust, and stock gutted cat (gutted in expo 6 hotel parking lot)
It is super quite and makes good power. I will soon swap the exhaust to increase power, but I have loved how quiet it is. 220hp.
Here is my dyno graph.
You can see what I have done in my sig, but i have stock exhaust manifold, a very queit world sport 2 exhaust, and stock gutted cat (gutted in expo 6 hotel parking lot)
It is super quite and makes good power. I will soon swap the exhaust to increase power, but I have loved how quiet it is. 220hp.