i have an f22a1 and i cant find billet rods besides crower custom making me a set for 700. every site i have looked at either race engineering or f22parts (Joke) and many others all sell the crower rods so they are the same price does anyone know of any other sites or shops i might have missed in looking for rods?? i need to get my engine rebuild going. thanks for the info in advance

 

Search for h22 rods.. The f22 and h22 have the same block internals.

-Eric

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alpinestar03 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Search for h22 rods.. The f22 and h22 have the same block internals.

-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

The H22-rod length from center to center is 5.63” - 143mm
and the F22-rod length from center to center is 5.572" - 141.5mm

I know it's only .058" difference but why risk it?
You should be looking for H23 rods they share the same internals as the F22.

All the engine specs you need are on this thread.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1232811

Can you use an H22 rod and compensate somewhere else for POOH? (Piston Out Of Hole)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GhostAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you use an H22 rod and compensate somewhere else for POOH? (Piston Out Of Hole)</TD></TR></TABLE>
you can use pistons with a different compression heights

to the OP, race engineering has the crowers and 2 other custom sets under their own label for f22/h23 apps...you're looking at about 700 for rods either way. what are your plans that you are looking to upgrade rods?

 

check with race engineering, I got my F23 rods from them.

 

i am blowing oil out of my breather tubes so i know i havea a piston ring or bearing fried. I was boosting it on stock internals i am taking the enigne out friday and tearing it down. so i figured i would just rebuild it better then before push more boost safely. I have heard of the h22 rods being used but then i would have to get custom pistons that would cost about 700 dollars that was what i was trying to avoid. if a website says that it has the h23/f22 rods those are the f22b JDM rods found that out by calling all of them. it looks like i am just going to have to break down and pay the big bucks. thanks guys.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if a website says that it has the h23/f22 rods those are the f22b JDM rods found that out by calling all of them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, it means the h23 and f22 share rods...they are the same dimensions, same part. same goes for h23/f22 cranks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> if a website says that it has the h23/f22 rods those are the f22b JDM rods found that out by calling all of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well now you have got me totally confused. Because I thought that all F22 con rods where interchangeable and I was just about to buy a set of those Crower H23/F22 rods for my F22B2. Could you call those guys that told you they were made only for the JDM F22B and ask them what the difference is. The length is the same for all, maybe it's the width of the rod at the crank or maybe the bore of the rod @ the crank??

 

the h23 and f22 share connecting rods...they are identical, same pin bore, BE bore, length, and width. the f22b dohc is just an f22ax bottom end, nothing special or different than any other f22.

 

That's what I thought for clarifying that...

Hey sigmiester you should call all those guys back just for shytes and gigles and let them know that they will fit any F22 USDM or JDM and see what they say


Modified by GhostAccord at 2:00 PM 5/9/2007

 

as others said search through available f22/ h23 rods or you will have to do the h22 rods with custom pistons (wrist pin gets moved up a tad bit because of the different rod length).

 

i know it was one of the guys that is doing the hybrid performance sponsor posts in the sponsors marketplace that i called. he said that none of the rods had the same specs as the f22a1 rods and they would have to be custom made by crower or another company. I wanted to get one of the rod and piston combinations cause they are so cheap on here, but from talking to them i would only be able to get the pistons thats what i was told anyway. i just called one of my friends who works for honda to run a part number check to see if the rods are the same.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am blowing oil out of my breather tubes so i know i havea a piston ring or bearing fried. </TD></TR></TABLE>
my money is that one or more of your pistons will look like this when you take them out, it's the ringlands:



why not just swap pistons and use the stock rods? if you keep the boost to a semi-sane level you should be just fine, as it's the cast pistons that break most of the time anyhow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know it was one of the guys that is doing the hybrid performance sponsor posts in the sponsors marketplace that i called. he said that none of the rods had the same specs as the f22a1 rods and they would have to be custom made by crower or another company. I wanted to get one of the rod and piston combinations cause they are so cheap on here, but from talking to them i would only be able to get the pistons thats what i was told anyway. i just called one of my friends who works for honda to run a part number check to see if the rods are the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>
whoever told you that is full of it. the f22a1 rod shares the same specs as every other f22 and h23 rod out there. the f23 has different rods, but that is a story for another day.

i'll put money on the ringlands...and as notoriousB said, with boost at sane levels the oem rods will do fine

 

ok i dont know if 12 psi is a sane level but that is what i want to run daily driver. I was boosting 5-10 psi before the engine gave out.

 

12 psi should be fine on stock rods provided it's tuned well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">12 psi should be fine on stock rods provided it's tuned well. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would agree...

To the OP, were you tuned when running 5-10 psi... cause thats not all that much boost for you to have had a problem unless something else was wrong imo (tune, boost spike, motor already hurt, bad gas, etc.).

 

Note on this topic...yes the H23 Crower Rods will fit an F22A, B, Z, 1, 2 but...yes there is a but. The pin ends will not fit the stock pistons. You will need to buy after-market pistons as well if you go with the Crowers.....

 

To the OP, were you tuned when running 5-10 psi... cause thats not all that much boost for you to have had a problem unless something else was wrong imo (tune, boost spike, motor already hurt, bad gas, etc.).

i was running a chipped p06, but the car has never been on a dyno so it was basically running off of the basemap installed on it. I know the engine was prob going to go but there are no dynos around here to tune on. now that i am rebuilding the motor i am already setting up an appointment to meet with a tuner in ohio. i live in illinois. The engine also has 117,000 miles on it as well.

Note on this topic...yes the H23 Crower Rods will fit an F22A, B, Z, 1, 2 but...yes there is a but. The pin ends will not fit the stock pistons. You will need to buy after-market pistons as well if you go with the Crowers.....

I was going to go with aftermarket pistons. i was just looking to see if there was a chance that they would be the same so i wouldnt have to get custom pistons or customs rods. Since either being custom made is going to run at least 700 dollars i was trying to save a little coin.