Im not sure if this will even fit.. but my friend doesnt wanna give up trunk space but wants some hit....we were thinkin of putting either 8's or 10's in the rear quarter panel and build a box to satisfy the airspace of the subs... does anyone know 1) if this will fit between the inner quarter penal and the outer sheet metal (inside the panels) and 2) how would it sound.. we're also going to dynomat the whole car... any input on this would be appreciated... another option would be spare tire well subs... but he wants to keep his spare tire... so list some good 8s or 10s and options on not losing trunk space.. thanks..

Edit: oh yeah budget.. he'd like to keep it under $750... for both amp and subs..


[Modified by GSRaCeRbOI, 5:13 PM 5/30/2002]

 

For 8" subs, try these out...

1. illusion audio nd-8 (free air version)
2. oz audio 8H "H" (free air version)
3. focal 180w
4. crossfire 8MB
5. mb quart 8 PWD
6. JL IB4

And the airspace for them is so small, it would be your best bet to get something behind those rear quarters. Most people, however, use 8" as a midrange, but he obviously isn't after earth shattering bass. Get a pair of those 8"'s and stick one in both sides and it will sound pretty damn good.

It might be pretty hard to get a 10" sub to fit in the rear quarters, an 8 might be your only chance. Maybe someone out there has managed otherwise?

Oh, and you could stick the 8's down by your feet. I've seen someone try that out.


[Modified by TexTeg, 5:41 PM 5/30/2002]

 

thanks for the reply.. yeah he isnt lookin for a lot of hit.. just more than now w/ his Polk components... so w/ the freeairs no box is required right? do you have any amp recommendations? JL audio makes pretty good amps for good prices right? like a 500/1

 

You are right about the free airs.

If you are on a budget, nothing better than a JBL power amp. You can get a 600 x 1 at 2 ohm, 300 watts at 4 ohm, for like 200 bucks. If you want to spend a little, the JL is a good amp. The autoteks are nice and not too pricey. But I have never heard a complaint about the JBL's and have installed them in a couple of my friend's cars and they love it.

Oh, one more thing. I haven't looked at the RMS wattages for those 8" subs, but my guess is that they probably have an RMS of around 200. So a 500 watt amp might be a bit much. $750 for this project is a generous allotment of money. You could manage to get a nice hitting, good quality system for around $500. But if he is content on spending all $750, then maybe you could afford to get the JL. Although, I'm sure the JBL would satisfy. Good luck and hope this helped.

Whoops, ONE more thing... Personally, I don't think JL is a good bang for your buck kinda brand altogether. To me, they sound just as good as lesser priced brands. You pay for the name in my opinion but thats not to say they aren't good products, just not the most cost efficient. If you can get a good deal on them, then hell ya, go for it. But I just think that you can find a better product wiht a lesser name.


[Modified by TexTeg, 6:41 PM 5/30/2002]

 

all right tex teg i wasnt gonna say nothin, but your of is forcing my hand

whats your big hang up on jl audio? as far as im concerned no woofer in the world can touch the W3 for under $200.

Their amps kick ***, although a tad on the expensive side, the W7 is a huge leap in subwoofer design and quality.

JL has pretty much defined quality bass as we know it. if you dont believe me listen to a 10 yr old pair of orions or punches, and compare to a W6

secondly, free air means huge enclosure (exceeding the Vas of the woofer)
so if you want to put woofers in the side panelsyou should use ones that have small enclosure requirements.

But... putting woofers there will probably suck cuz there will be no reflection, the panel will flex and rattle like crazy, and you just cut big holes in your factory panels

oh and a pair of JL8w3 and a JL 250/1 in a fiberglass box in the spare tire well of almost any hatchback will knock.
<U></U> : 8W3 $175 ea
250/1 $400
grand total $750
sorry tex


[Modified by boyracer, 3:42 AM 5/31/2002]

 

Adire Audio Shiva or Tempest (12" and 15" respectively) $125 and $150 from adireaudio.com - check them out, as an all blacked out woofer will do just fine with the big name JL.

Their amps are nice, and have some nice features, but I think the RIPS system isn't the best in my eyes, and the power ratings they are offered at are a bit off from what I want, and their 4 channels suck if you want to use them to power a whole system.

Now here's the question...why buy a 12W7 that has an MSRP of over/around 700 when you can get an IDMAX for 450 and a Brahma for 370? In my eyes, you are wasting cash with a W7. Sure if you have a JL boner and you want to spend a ton of cash on a W7, then go for it, until then I'd much rather have two IDMAX's and destroy any single W7. I got my IDMAX - authorized not internet priced - for 350!!

Also the shitty voice coil configs that JL used on the subs...what's that all about. I know it makes them a perfect match for their amps, but I think it's plain stupid. Trying to force people to buy your amps. Not everyone wants to run class D, and most class a/b's make max power at 4 ohm mono.

JL set the mark many years ago, along with PPI amps and MB Quart components...there were years in competition when it seemed that you couldn't win without that exact setup...sprinkle in some AudioControl processors, and you were money.

Personally, while they do continue to innovate and come out with new products...slap some generic name on them, and they wouldn't sell nearly as well as they do currently.

Now don't get me wrong, I have used JL products in the past, and if I had to do a complete system out of one manufacturer, I think they would be second to a/d/s/. They just are not the savior to car audio...I prefer small companies where you actually get to talk to someone who KNOWS audio.

I agree that a free air is not the best style sub for this application. Sealing the back from the front wave would be difficult, and keeping vibration down is another hurdle...that's important to keep localization to a minimum.

Keep the CDT 8" in mind as well

 

I am suprised someone else knows about illusion audio. Great speakers. A ten only requires a 3" mounting depth. This is what I installed in my NSX. I didn't know they made free air in the nd version. Are you sure this is acurate info? One thing to think about before buying Illusion Audio went bankrupt, which means your warranty is useless.

 

I wasn't doggin JL, just thought them to be overpriced. I've heard JL setups and I like them alot. And yes, they have defined quality bass, but thats also why you end up paying for the name. Like rcurley said, you can get those adire subs and they will sound very muhc like if not better than the JL subs for a fraction of the price. And the JL amps, like you said, are a tad overpriced, hence why I made my remarks. For $400 you can get a JBL amp like I said and get alot more power. No, its not the quality of a JL, but is the JL really worth that much more (nearly double)? In my opinion, I would rather save 200 bucks and spend it on some dynamat/brownbread like he said he was going to do. Where in that budget would you get the money for the $150 brownbread?

 

Yes, Illusion made two different drivers that I'm aware of...I could be wrong, but last I heard there was a "sealed" and "IB" version that was out. Now this may not be the case for the ND10's and 12's, but I'm fairly certain that it's accuate for the ND8's seeing as how popular they are for dedicated midbasses.

Finding Illusions will be difficult, but I heard they may be on a comeback...but like usual it's probably internet rumors

And again..I don't hate JL...just people who buy JL cause it's JL...not because they liked it the best.