Modified by Mctag at 2:48 PM 6/19/2007

 

The Integra's going up for sale if these ever hit State side.

 

Too bad Honda will never bring it stateside.

 

Oh well, guess I'll just have to keep my Type-R then.

 

LOL

 

That looks like an eBay Type R sticker.

 

Agreed, so do the taillights.

 

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they can keep that version in japan. I want the bubble version in the uk

 

my buddy orders his tommorow

 

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they can keep that version in japan. I want the bubble version in the uk </TD></TR></TABLE>
They are considering both, but it's hard to get over the extremely poor sales performance of the EP3 in the USDM. The overwhelmingly bad response among the enthusiast base sort of hurt their feelings.

They considered the EP3 CTR for the USDM, but the dollar-to-pound wasn't doing very well and it would have made the EP3 CTR cost about $30,000.

Now...there's a very good dollar-to-yen rate that would make the Civic Type R sedan cost about $25,000.

That'd be good.

 

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They are considering both, but it's hard to get over the extremely poor sales performance of the EP3 in the USDM. The overwhelmingly bad response among the enthusiast base sort of hurt their feelings.

They considered the EP3 CTR for the USDM, but the dollar-to-pound wasn't doing very well and it would have made the EP3 CTR cost about $30,000.

Now...there's a very good dollar-to-yen rate that would make the Civic Type R sedan cost about $25,000.

That'd be good. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Assuming that's correct, I've got to roll my eyes. Being one who rarely criticizes Honda, the EP3 Si was an insult at the MSRP and equipment level.. and even when sold at a discount, was heavy, weak, soft, odd-looking with lack of kit that the UK got, slow.. did I mention it wasn't a good deal and not a good looker? If Honda recognizes the dollar:pound conversion didn't work in our favor with the EP3 CTR, then they'd know the same was the case for the EP3 Si. If they thought the enthusiast crowd shunned a performance Civic, then there'd be no current Si - so it's not that. They know we shunned one model in particular, and if folks from Honda read internet discussion boards, which supposedly a few do, then they'd know in no uncertain terms why the EP3 Si was a failure from the get-go, while we've been clamoring for Type-R cars since 1996; maybe even since '92.

But yes, if their feelings were hurt, I have to say I and many others were a little offended, as well. In fact, we continue to be offended when we're denied such hotter versions. I think it's a little ignorance and stubborness on American Honda's part, and a little arrogance on Honda Japan's part (the best cars stay there).

I can't help but wonder if something's going on with American Honda and the FD2 Civic Type-R. Why did they invite Edmunds and other auto journos to drive the CTR at Suzuka? Maybe just to keep up appearances and give a nod to us (with their tongue out).. or maybe they're up to something. Who knows. One thing is for absolute certain - if this car comes to the US, left alone content-wise, and for not much more than the ~$24k-$25k its selling price in Japan converts to - they have a buyer right here.

 

No doubt at all...the EP3 USDM Si was just too expensive for what it offered.

I bought my 2002 EP3 for 15,995. If there were a way to have sold them for that price, they'd have done well.

An alternative might've been to offer it with the K20A2 190 HP motor that was already doing well in North America. I think it would have been easier to justify the $20K sticker if it had that motor.

For some reason, the EP3 people were doing things to the cars that brought out the suspension's shortcomings, too. We didn't hear that much about the short stroke on the front struts on the DC5, but the exact same suspension on the EP3 suddenly had people blowing shocks and complaining about bump steer on the road courses.

I think the EP3 was a much, much better car than people give it credit for.

But you are absolutely right...the way it was marketed, priced and equipped in the North American market wasn't going to work.

Just two years after admitting defeat with the EP3, do you think Honda's ready to try another hot hatch in North America?

 

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An alternative might've been to offer it with the K20A2 190 HP motor that was already doing well in North America. I think it would have been easier to justify the $20K sticker if it had that motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Absolutely agree; that would've been easier to swallow, and with a few other changes/additions, such as a few more colors - and minus one pea green - could have been a Honda division cousin to the RSX-S.

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Well, I could see why not, from that POV.. or they could use it as an opportunity to say, 'hey, we know what we're doing, after all! what you talkin 'bout?! (is all forgiven?)'

..but I want the Japan-spec CTR sedan, anyway. The Fit is a darn fine car, and the British press really like the CTR hatch with its Fit/Jazz platform and Type-R tweaks, but I'd prefer the 4-doors, the IRS, the Tochigi-tuned "quickest FF Type-R ever".

 

Good points guys. Myself personally, I LOVE the EP3. However, it was WAY overpriced when released, for what the car was. I agree with George, if it came with a K20A2 at least, I'd probably be in one right now... But the A1 was just so damn weak. I considered buying an '02 EP3 for $12,900 in pretty good shape, after I started adding up everything I wanted to do to the car to make it the way I wanted, I got a headache, and bought a stock/bolt on Type-R instead that satisfied my needs.

If Honda's going to bring this car to America, they need not water it down like the Integra Type-R, they should leave it well equiped with options like those offered in Japan.

But honestly, if the new Civic Type-R will have an asking price of around $25,000 brand new with options... Seriously, the Integra's going up for sale for a nice down payment on a brand new Civic Type-R.

I kind of doubt we'll get it State side, but if we do, I'm all over it.

 

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Just two years after admitting defeat with the EP3, do you think Honda's ready to try another hot hatch in North America?</TD></TR></TABLE>

personally i would not care if it was a hatch or a 4dr...

i think we are all drawn to the Type R its stigma.... the "drivers car" of the Honda fleet....

i would be willing to bet that if any "Type R" version (2/4dr,or hatch) came to the US, that it would sell well because it was the drivers car "R" version.....because all of us on this forum are enthusiasts in one way or another.....

so, if you know someone at Honda that has a voice for enthusiasts, let them know that there would be one more sold if they brought them to the US

 

The Canadian probabily have more chance then we do since they do not offer SI model under Honda.
They do have Acura CSX Type S which is LHD of JDM civic with same facial front & rear & SI specs.
I was shocked last year to see our USDM civic and Acura CSX sitting side by side at Canada F1GP's Honda display.
NO chance in US are we going to see it as "ACURA CSX TYPE-R" because Acura have to be an upscale market image, not kiddy's car pricing under $30K.





Modified by machgo5go at 11:01 AM 5/6/2007

 

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so, if you know someone at Honda that has a voice for enthusiasts, let them know that there would be one more sold if they brought them to the US </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, please do so.

Having a car such as the CTR serves as a "halo" to the brand, and increased attention, chatter, website hits and dealership foot traffic cannot be a bad thing.

 

i like it

 

You must be a noob.

I already seen that car.

 

Well if honda brings over the CTR I will have to trade in my DD 07Si to get it. I might loose a couple of bucks over it but I would not care since I know it will be worth every penny.

 

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I bought my 2002 EP3 for 15,995. If there were a way to have sold them for that price, they'd have done well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

which meant you guys would have got a nice car at a conversion rate $ to £'s for about £8,000


that would have been a slap in the face for the UK market. the current CTR sells for about £18,000.

 

that thing is so clean, where are the civic type r stickers on the sides though? an r looks naked without those

 

I am heading down to Honda tonight to check out the caR. I think that they just got one in the showroom...reguardless, a good friend of mine should be ordering his today at lunch time...he should have it in about 6-8 weeks.

 

Awesome video of it, sorry if it's a repost http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/dvd/

 

here's the canadian csx type s