I have already searched but didn't come up with much. Does anyone know if the axle back of a mugen TL muffler for the DC2 will bolt up to a stock/spoon b-pipe? I believe the TL muffler uses a dounut gasket but will the flanges line up? What about length?

I already have a Spoon N1 with B-pipe but it's getting pretty LOUD! Wouldn't mind trying a mugen TL if it bolts up.

Thanks.

 

It will not bolt up because the Mugen muffler has a flange that mates up to a 2.5in. donut gasket. The same sized gasket that is for JDM header collectors.

 

i will dissagree with that statement and say it will bolt up no problem.. having had the spoon n1 and TL i am pretty sure they will innerchange..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcash13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will dissagree with that statement and say it will bolt up no problem.. having had the spoon n1 and TL i am pretty sure they will innerchange.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

OK, now i am even more confused. What b-pipe did you used with the N1? And the TL? The same?

 

the OEM midpipe and Spoon midpipe use the smaller diameter donut gasket.

It will not fit....

....At least not properly if you use the ITR catback TL muffler.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the OEM midpipe and Spoon midpipe use the smaller diameter donut gasket.

It will not fit....

....At least not properly if you use the ITR catback TL muffler.

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In that case, any quiet mufflers i can use with the Spoon B-pipe aside from stock?

 

Spoon Sports, Sport muffler.

 

mugen TL and t1R b pipe WON'T BOLT ON

i had to cut the flange off mugen B pipe and weld that on to a t1r b pipe to make it work with mugen TL.

expensive set up

i had exact set up. t1r + spoon n1

soo. to get this done. you will need t1r b pipe and full mugen system.

= how much?


ohh opps. u asked if it will bolt on to spoon.. not t1r lol but ya. it won't bolt on to t1r b pipe lol

 

i will still say that they should work.. i dont see why they wouldnt.. it may not be made for eachother but i still think they will work

 

how can you not understand this simple concept?

The donut gasket is 2.5inch on the Mugen b-pipe.

The OEM/Spoon b-pipe is a smaller 2.25in. donut.

The Mugen TL mates up to the 2.5in. donut.

You try putting the USDM cat on a JDM header and tell me what happens. SAME concept.

Or try putting an XL helmet on your medium sized head. What do you think happens there?

It may not be made for each other but damn ....I guess you really dig exhaust leaks....

 

if it was that cut and dry yes no answer this would be pretty easy..

stock 2.25

spoon 60mm = 2.36

mugen 2.5

now.. if the guy is wanting to run the mugen axleback on a spoon mid pipe why would this not work.. i have had both axlebacks and can tell you that both flanges look very similar if not the same. the answer to will it work is yes, i truely believe bolting it up will not be an issue.. if you get any leak, how hard is it to run up to a muffler shop to find a gasket that will work.. done it a few times.. the muffler shop let me take the muffler to the back room with an entire wall full of different donut gaskets, cost me $6 to get the right one..

if you can afford the mugen axleback i think you can afford to make it work for you.. i mean the difference in sound between the 2 are night and day.. after daily driving the spoon n1 and being use to the noise level inside the car and then bolting up the mugen, if it wasnt for my race only hasport mounts vibrating everything i wouldnt have even known the car was turned on at first..

ill stand here and say i personally think after having both that you wont have any problem with it.. but at worst i think it would only be finding a correct gasket to work

 

i think the real question is how to get the mugen twinloop for dc2 - just the axleback?

 

Usually Japan, or off some importers who discovered that the midpipe got completely futched flat or bent.

dcash13.... thanks for the info. I'm not sure if I had the older Spoon b-pipe or not, but there should have been at least one revision and whether or not this was done to the flange I cannot be certain.

I stand corrected at the moment, but for when I had the OEM/Spoon (perhaps EG6 app?)/ Mugen....interchanging it was not a simple gasket issue, unless you wanted to use liquid gasket to make up the gap.

 

Thanks for all the info. Yeah, you will see just the axle back section floating around for sale sometimes. Maybe i should measure the flange to my b-pipe before making a purchase.

 

got the spoon n1 just as an axleback brand new.. the sell alot more axlebacks than they do full exhausts, just for the fact that just the muffler is still almost 400 with shipping and a full catback people dont have the money for it all.. havent seen that with mugen realy but got mine as just an axleback but i got it used..

 

damn, well if you or anyone else wants to sell just the axleback of the mugen twinloop for dc2 please let me know!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcash13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will still say that they should work.. i dont see why they wouldnt.. it may not be made for eachother but i still think they will work</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're wrong, RagingAngel is right.

I have the Mugen TL muffler only, and it does NOT fit an oem B-pipe or a Spoon B-pipe without modification. It definitely wasn't as easy as getting a different donut gasket.

Mugen does not follow industry standards when designing the width of bolt holes on their flanges. So while you might be able to find a 2.5" donut gasket to fit the muffler flange, you will NOT be able to find off-the shelf flanges that will match the width of the Mugen piece.

Doable? Yes.

A lot of frustration, sweat, a few tears involved in the process? Yes, yes, yes.




Modified by Mario at 11:25 PM 5/8/2007

 

well, whoever has a spoon axleback off the car and can get a pic with a ruler on the flange to see how far the bolt wholes are apart i will stand by my word.. i do not have an oem midpipe but i had the exact same problem with both mugen and sppon when it came to bolting up to it.. so i will say that both are VERY similar if not the same.. so get me a pic of new spoon n1(polished muffler, not the old brushed ones), and ill supply a pic of my mugen's flange.. until then i will stand by my word.. having had both axlebacks and running into the same issue on both, i will say that the 2 are more compatible than other axlebacks(oem itr, t1r) that i have tried to use

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcash13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, whoever has a spoon axleback off the car and can get a pic with a ruler on the flange to see how far the bolt wholes are apart i will stand by my word.. i do not have an oem midpipe but i had the exact same problem with both mugen and sppon when it came to bolting up to it.. so i will say that both are VERY similar if not the same.. so get me a pic of new spoon n1(polished muffler, not the old brushed ones), and ill supply a pic of my mugen's flange.. until then i will stand by my word.. having had both axlebacks and running into the same issue on both, i will say that the 2 are more compatible than other axlebacks(oem itr, t1r) that i have tried to use</TD></TR></TABLE>

You win.

 

its not about winning its about gietting him some info on if it will work or not.. only thing i can say to the OP is take off the spoon.. measure the flange.. and ill measure the mugen..

 

[QUOTE=itr1244]mugen TL and t1R b pipe WON'T BOLT ON

i had to cut the flange off mugen B pipe and weld that on to a t1r b pipe to make it work with mugen TL./QUOTE]

not true

On my 98 ITR, i had a kamikaze header, apexi test pipe, t1r b pipe and mugen tl axle back. All bolted right up, using the stock bolts and tension springs for the axle back and b pipe.

hope this helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR-965 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=itr1244]mugen TL and t1R b pipe WON'T BOLT ON

i had to cut the flange off mugen B pipe and weld that on to a t1r b pipe to make it work with mugen TL./QUOTE]

not true

On my 98 ITR, i had a kamikaze header, apexi test pipe, t1r b pipe and mugen tl axle back. All bolted right up, using the stock bolts and tension springs for the axle back and b pipe.

hope this helps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

did u have an older t1r b pipe? i know the new t1r things are flat flanged vs. round using a donut gasket like the mugen.. i know u can make it work with the right donut gasket but im just curious if yours is indeed a flat flange or if they made the older ones different

 

i believe it was an older one. It used the 2.5 flat gasket if i remember correctly. And know that I think about it, i did not reuse the tension springs either. Just put the gasket in and bolted it up.

 

so it was indeed a flat flange? so u just basicaly jambed a donut gasket up to the flat flange and just bolted it up?.. its worked that way for me too i was just curious if it was flat flanged like i thought or if they use to produce it the other way.. guess not..