is the ap2 really watered down compared to the ap1?

other than looks, are there performance differences that will make you hate/love each model?

 

you really need to search on this.

it makes me laugh when people mention 'watered-down'. i hear this from a lot of ap1 owners, that have never owned/driven both. i had an ap1 for almost 2 years, it was a great car and very raw. however, i was lusting after the ap2 so much after about a year of owning the ap1. to this day, i havent noticed anything darastic in the changes from ap1 to ap2. they are both great cars. you can say the ap2 is more watered down, but stock for stock, the ap2 does run a slight better track time.

 

click on my signature you lazy *****. search ftw.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94typeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is the ap2 really watered down compared to the ap1?

other than looks, are there performance differences that will make you hate/love each model?</TD></TR></TABLE>

completely true.

the ap2 is pure water.

the ap1 has a larger ***** too.

 

honestly i've owned both and ap1 is a weaksause compared to my ap2, thats how i feel, but others worship ap1s. Its just what u like u got to drive them both.

 

I have also owned both. I find the AP2 far better. More usable torque and the power is just fine. The ride is just as "raw" on both of them. I have an 07, so maybe it's different than the first "generation AP2's, but I doubt it.

I like the little things they added to the newer S2K.

 

theres no big difference. i'd assume for most consumers price point would be he main reason for choosing one over the other.
s2k any year FTW

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Yosshaa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres no big difference. i'd assume for most consumers price point would be he main reason for choosing one over the other.
s2k any year FTW</TD></TR></TABLE> yup thats what i think too, and i dont hate on ap1's at all, i just prefer ap2 thats all.

 

Honda Make these changes for a reason,the newer,the better AP2 any day

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2k_jay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda Make these changes for a reason,the newer,the better AP2 any day</TD></TR></TABLE>

that doesnt mean its better
... i like all S2K's minus the drive by wire...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2k_jay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda Make these changes for a reason,the newer,the better AP2 any day</TD></TR></TABLE>

what an ignorant response

 

Do these threads seriously keep coming up? hahha...id have thought (given the AP2 has been out for years now) that these "better than" threads would have long died off. I personally think the AP2 LOOKS better cosmetically, the small enhancements modernized it a bit over the AP1...mechanically, they are like two near flawless diamonds...i say near flawless because of my love for my Z4 lol.

AP2 4 Lyfe Nukkas...lmao.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im back under a new name... formerly itr#664, I got the boot from honda tech a couple of years ago for dumb sh*t. anyway ap1's have all stayed the same and only in the U.S.A did they change the engine to a 2.2 litre. They did not change the engine anywhere else. THE TAIL ON THE AP2 IS SOFTER (NOT AS STIFF AS AN AP1) AP1'S WILL LOOSE THEIR TAIL END MORE EASILY. AP2'S ARE ON BIGGER HEAVIER WHEELS SO THAT 8 FT LBS OF EXTRA TORQUE IS ALREADY TAKEN. AP2'S ARE DBW WHICH IS BETTER ON THROTTLE RESPONSE. THEY ARE BOTH BADASS.. AP2'S ARE MORE COMFORTABLE ON LONGER HAULS THAN THE AP1 (IN STOCK FORM) JUST REMEMBER THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD IS STILL ROCKIN THE 2.0 F20C EVEN IN 2007 EVEN IN JAPAN NOW WHY DO YOU THINK? </TD></TR></TABLE>

wow, so you seriously think that the ap2's torque just goes away cause of the bigger wheels? you really dont sound like you know what your talking about. also, not all ap2's are DBW, only 06/07, not 04/05. yes, the springs in the rear are softer on the ap2, but the ap2 has stiffer front springs. as for ap2's being more comfortable on long hauls....negative. i've done numerous trips from southern virginia to chicago(920 miles one way) in an ap1 and an ap2, and i have not noticed a difference....they are both uncomfortable as hell!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHY DOES JAPAN AND ALL THE OTHER REST OF THE WORLD STILL ROCK THE OLDER ENGINE? ANSWER THAT. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why do complete retards type in caps only? ANSWER THAT

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im back under a new name... formerly itr#664, I got the boot from honda tech a couple of years ago for dumb sh*t. anyway ap1's have all stayed the same and only in the U.S.A did they change the engine to a 2.2 litre. They did not change the engine anywhere else. THE TAIL ON THE AP2 IS SOFTER (NOT AS STIFF AS AN AP1) AP1'S WILL LOOSE THEIR TAIL END MORE EASILY. AP2'S ARE ON BIGGER HEAVIER WHEELS SO THAT 8 FT LBS OF EXTRA TORQUE IS ALREADY TAKEN. AP2'S ARE DBW WHICH IS BETTER ON THROTTLE RESPONSE. THEY ARE BOTH BADASS.. AP2'S ARE MORE COMFORTABLE ON LONGER HAULS THAN THE AP1 (IN STOCK FORM) JUST REMEMBER THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD IS STILL ROCKIN THE 2.0 F20C EVEN IN 2007 EVEN IN JAPAN NOW WHY DO YOU THINK? </TD></TR></TABLE>

im not surprised they banned you dumb face... they should ban you again... rofl

f@cking idiot!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHY DOES JAPAN AND ALL THE OTHER REST OF THE WORLD STILL ROCK THE OLDER ENGINE? ANSWER THAT. </TD></TR></TABLE>

1. more torque cuz it has more displacement...

2. DBW lag the throttle responds...

3. japan has 2.2

4. you are a fool

5. go lick your own ***

and that comes from AP1 guy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHY DOES JAPAN AND ALL THE OTHER REST OF THE WORLD STILL ROCK THE OLDER ENGINE? ANSWER THAT. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how about this?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im back under a new name... formerly itr#664, I got the boot from honda tech a couple of years ago for dumb sh*t. anyway ap1's have all stayed the same and only in the U.S.A did they change the engine to a 2.2 litre. They did not change the engine anywhere else. THE TAIL ON THE AP2 IS SOFTER (NOT AS STIFF AS AN AP1) AP1'S WILL LOOSE THEIR TAIL END MORE EASILY. AP2'S ARE ON BIGGER HEAVIER WHEELS SO THAT 8 FT LBS OF EXTRA TORQUE IS ALREADY TAKEN. AP2'S ARE DBW WHICH IS BETTER ON THROTTLE RESPONSE. THEY ARE BOTH BADASS.. AP2'S ARE MORE COMFORTABLE ON LONGER HAULS THAN THE AP1 (IN STOCK FORM) JUST REMEMBER THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD IS STILL ROCKIN THE 2.0 F20C EVEN IN 2007 EVEN IN JAPAN NOW WHY DO YOU THINK? </TD></TR></TABLE>


buddy,

I own an Ap1.

I have driven both, and am completly bias towards Ap1's, I think they are much more thrilling to drive.

But, for one....you are wrong on the fact that Japan still "rocks" the F20c. they don't. they switched in 2005.

And two, you make me almost ashamed to own an Ap1 now. Please leave.

I can see why you were banned, no offence.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smokeabobreefer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YOUR JUST A *** WHOS SORRY THEY GOT A AP2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Talk about completely uncalled for.

 

LMAO , I like this post ...

 

I've owned an ap1 now I own an ap2.. Honestly, it feels the same. Watered down?
No way, still a raw sporty feeling. I prefer
the ap2 because of the extra tq which
makes daily driving easier..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Homer_Simpson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've owned an ap1 now I own an ap2.. Honestly, it feels the same. Watered down?
No way, still a raw sporty feeling. I prefer
the ap2 because of the extra tq which
makes daily driving easier.. </TD></TR></TABLE> ok since this thread has already gone to hell, i'm used to driving auto, how is more torque going to make DD easier, not looking for flame, just some enlightenment

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 361 accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ok since this thread has already gone to hell, i'm used to driving auto, how is more torque going to make DD easier, not looking for flame, just some enlightenment </TD></TR></TABLE>


i have no idea how 9 more lbs of torque is going to make daily driving that much better either.

 

^^ knowing that he has 9 more lbs of torque than AP1 give him peace of mind and easier for him to daily drive??? lol

 

yeah haha you guys are so right.. 9lb of tq wouldn't do much

What I meant is that, I don't have to rev as high to get the car going. Before when I had the ap1, I normally have to rev to about 4.5k to keep the car up with normal traffic. Now, I only have to rev to 3k to get it going.

I throw in my two cents and I get flamed.