I am going to be looking at 2004 TL 6-speeds this weekend. I was wondering if there is any common issues I should look out for? Anything I might want to be aware of during a test drive or while crawling around underneath the car...

Please let me know... Thanks!

 

not to many problems only have had to replace a 3rd gear syncro set but the guy beats the **** out of the car.his fault

 

Thanks for the heads up...

 

04+ TLs are awesome. no trans issues like the previous gen cars

 

Well, I managed to pick up an 05 Satin Silver TL in SoCal on Saturday w/ 21k miles on the clock. The 6-speed rocks, but I noticed that 3rd can be a little notchy at times (just like my wifes 03 element). It does need an alignment and one of the rear brakes is squealing when applied even though the outer pads are still really thick (just looking through the wheels)...

This car is amazing, and I got my fingers crossed that it's not a lemon....


Modified by 94eg! at 12:59 PM 4/30/2007

 

yeah only seen manual trans problems from abuse from the owners

 

oh and dont forget about the interior rattles, squeeks, ticks, and pops

 

I managed to get 31mpg on the way home from work yesterday (20+ miles freeway driving)...

 

I had a chance to look at the rear brakes to try and figure out where the squeal is coming from. After removing the rear caliper, I found that the brake still dragged when the hub was spun. This means the drum parking brake inside the rotor is the reason for the squealing. I tried to remove the rotor to check the drum parking brake inside, but the rotor set screws wouldn't budge (of course) even when pounding the screw driver with a hammer...

I did notice there is some sort of slot visible though a hole in the front of the brake disc where the wheel mounts against it. I was wondering if this is some sort of parking brake adjuster for the drum inside? I didn't mess with it or anything like that, because I wanted some more info first. The part that is visible through the rotor can be seen in the following picture as part #6...



I just got this car, so I haven't had a chance to get the helms manual ordered yet...

 

what car you got? I am not aware of ANY 99+ TL having drums.

 

im sure he is refering to the parking brake assy. the shoes are inside the rotor like the mdx

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I managed to pick up an 05 Satin Silver TL in SoCal on Saturday w/ 21k miles on the clock. The 6-speed rocks, but I noticed that 3rd can be a little notchy at times (just like my wifes 03 element). It does need an alignment and one of the rear brakes is squealing when applied even though the outer pads are still really thick (just looking through the wheels)...

This car is amazing, and I got my fingers crossed that it's not a lemon....


Modified by 94eg! at 12:59 PM 4/30/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
here is a current service news in regards to the shifting.
Stiff Shifting, Popping Out of
Gear? Replace the MTF
NOTE: This article applies to all M/T-equipped
Acura vehicles.
We’ve heard reports of clients complaining about
the M/T shifting stiffly or popping out of gear. In
each case, the M/T was using aftermarket MTF or
old Acura MTF. If you’ve got a vehicle in your
shop that fits this profile, try draining the MTF and
replacing it with new Acura Precision Crafted MTF
(P/N 08798-9031A). This new MTF offers better
overall shift quality in cold weather (especially in
freezing temperatures), and it’s got better friction
reduction for improved fuel economy and longer
transmission life.
After filling the M/T with this new MTF, take a
10-mile test-drive around town so you can do a lot
of shifting. If you’ve still got this problem after
your test-drive, then it’s time to do some
troubleshooting.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YeuEmMaiMai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what car you got? I am not aware of ANY 99+ TL having drums.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's an 05 TL, and yes I'm referring to the parking which happens to be a drum type brake located inside the rear disc brakes. It seems to be the source of the squealing...

 

drove one today...outstanding vehicle

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's an 05 TL, and yes I'm referring to the parking which happens to be a drum type brake located inside the rear disc brakes. It seems to be the source of the squealing...</TD></TR></TABLE>
best thing to do is remove the brake pad's and chamfer the edge's of the trailing and leading edge's that should take care of the problem.


Modified by dtapia at 9:56 PM 5/16/2007

 

Thanks for the advice...

 

any time.

 

Update:

Upon further inspection, it actually turned out to be the front right brake making the squeeling. I did some searching and it turns out that it's quite common for the more performance oriented Brembo front brakes to make quite a bit of noise. There is actually a service bulletin detailing the problem including a new pad design with chamfered (angled) edges. The funny thing is that on ACURAzine most people report that the new pads don't usually cure the noise problem...

On a hunch, I ran in the garage and grabbed my can of brake cleaner. I stuck the straw nozzle in past the wheel spokes and gave the pads a quick blast from both sides of the exposed area on the caliper (makings sure to have running water on my driveway so I didn't stain). I then flushed the calipers with the hose water and let them dry for a minute.

Next I loading up the wife & baby we set out for a pleasent trip to the local smootie shop. Lo and behold, the brakes no longer squeal. I have yet to hear a peep, and that is a far cry from a constant squeal on every stop down to 10mph. Even if this is only a temporary fix (and I figure it is since the dust seems to be the culprit), I am still very pleased. I just think from now on that I will flush the front brakes every time I wash the car (takes 1 minute)...

I'll update again in a week or so...

 

yes that is pretty common and with the regular tl.
my fix for that is chamfer the edge's on a bench grinder so the leading and trailing edge's been doing this for about 10 years and has worked great. now all the guys at the shop have been doing it because they have had the same problem and it didnt correct the problem. dont forget to lube the slid pins with some grease if you take the brakes apart.

 

Yeah it sounds like thats gonna be my next step. The front started squealing again about half way to work this morning (25-mile drive). The odd thing is that from what I can see the pads still have the OEM chamfer on them.

I also noticed the standard replacement pads recommend using Molykote M77 on the backs of the pads. But the new replacement pads in TSB 04-0419, say to use a special brembo grease instead. Do you think this special grease might help (or even fresh M77 for that matter)?

I've searched for the Brembo grease (Acura part # 08798-9027), but can't seem to find it anywhere. I'm betting this stuff is expensive...

 

i have not seen that grease we use the m77 on all of them their is also a tsb about replacing the pads and resurfacing the front rotors . the new pads we are installing have a diffrent face on the pad.

Applies To: 2004–06 TL – ALL with A/T
2004–06 TL: Front Brakes Squeal
SYMPTOM
The front brakes squeal.
PROBABLE CAUSE
Improper brake pad material
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Install new brake pads, and refinish the brake discs.
PARTS INFORMATION
Front Brake Pad Set: P/N 45022-SEP-A01
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
In warranty: The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 410820
Flat Rate Time: 1.4 hours
Failed Part: P/N 45022-SEP-A00
Defect Code: 07701
Symptom Code: 04212
Template ID: 07-005A
Skill Level: Repair Technician
Out of warranty: Any repair performed after warranty
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
1. Remove the old front brake pads:
• Refer to page 19-14 of the 04–06 TL Service
Manual, or
• Online, enter keyword PAD, and select Front
Brake Pad Inspection and Replacement from
the list.
2. Inspect the front brake discs:
• Refer to page 19-17 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keyword FRONT DISC, and select
Front Brake Disc Inspection from the list.
3. Refinish the brake discs using an on-car brake
lathe. Refer to Service Bulletin 00-037, Brake Disc
Refinishing Guidelines.
4. Test-drive the vehicle


Modified by dtapia at 10:09 PM 5/17/2007

 

The TSB your quoting says specifically NOT to use M77 (only brembo grease). This is why I asked...

http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanis...9.PDF

If M77 works, I'll probably just buy a tube at Honda & give it a try on the current pads (unless the brembo grease is comparable in price)...

 

im not sure why they are stating that must be somthing in the grease compaired to the m77 i bet the brembro grease has fibers in it so it sticks together unlike the m77.

 

Just called my local Acura dealership they want $35.24 for one tube of the Brembo grease (services 3 cars).

 

wow i got to work today and asked if we had any in stock and we do. the grease is so thick and pastey compared to the m77 and the color is copper almost a slimey grease kind of weird to explain. does your acura dealer have it or s/o item ? if it is it will take a few weeks to get in since all the grease comes from the factory and is a very slow process.