need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!!
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need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!!
im gettin out of my accord stage.. 
sorta i have a 6 gen coupe which i think i might sell but wanted something else so i jus recently bought a gsr. the prob is there person sold the orignal engine for some debt he owed and basically sold the shell of the car for cheap. so i bought it with only 33 thousand miles on it. now im not sure wat to go with. from jdmsource.ca and hmotorsonline the gsr complete swaps looks like they going to cost a pretty penny. and my bois are tellin me to jus go with a b16 or look for an ls vtech. im not sure wat would be better and for the cost. im not looking for riduculous power but i still want haul some ***.. i was thinking of the b16 jus cause its a lil cheaper and still got some hp but still up in the air ... wat u all think????
sorta i have a 6 gen coupe which i think i might sell but wanted something else so i jus recently bought a gsr. the prob is there person sold the orignal engine for some debt he owed and basically sold the shell of the car for cheap. so i bought it with only 33 thousand miles on it. now im not sure wat to go with. from jdmsource.ca and hmotorsonline the gsr complete swaps looks like they going to cost a pretty penny. and my bois are tellin me to jus go with a b16 or look for an ls vtech. im not sure wat would be better and for the cost. im not looking for riduculous power but i still want haul some ***.. i was thinking of the b16 jus cause its a lil cheaper and still got some hp but still up in the air ... wat u all think????
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i wouldnt get the b16, i have a big problem with putting a civic engine in an integra. if you are going to go the cheap route then ls/VTEC (vtech is a phone company) a good way to go, however you will need better rods if you wanna rev past stock ls red line. if i were you i would try to find a usdm gsr motor and tranny.
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lol b16 really that garbage ?????? lol and and btw sorry i know vtecH is the phone jus im so use to typing like that jus happens.. iv alrdy got counseled by other people bout my vtec misspellin lol. .. question though doing an ls vtec... how much work am i going to have to go through cause frm wat my lil knowledge knows i gotta run new oils line to the head and do some other stuff if im not mistaken???
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gustavito1986 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol b16 really that garbage ?????? lol and and btw sorry i know vtecH is the phone jus im so use to typing like that jus happens.. iv alrdy got counseled by other people bout my vtec misspellin lol. .. question though doing an ls vtec... how much work am i going to have to go through cause frm wat my lil knowledge knows i gotta run new oils line to the head and do some other stuff if im not mistaken???</TD></TR></TABLE>
get a usdm or jdm gsr engine/trans, ls/vtec is played out and unreliable if not done correctly. and crv 2.0 liter engines have head problems, so if u go that route make sure it has low miles. goodluck
get a usdm or jdm gsr engine/trans, ls/vtec is played out and unreliable if not done correctly. and crv 2.0 liter engines have head problems, so if u go that route make sure it has low miles. goodluck
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Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (H Twenty Teg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This garbage again?
An Integra LS/GSR 2643 LBS
A 00 Civic Si 2612 LBS
The **** has a few LBS differences. The Civic uses a B16 and weighs the same. Whats the big deal. The B16 will always be better than an LS in any situation. As long as you dont use an ****** *** LS trans the B16 will get the car around with enough pull.
Ideally I would get a full GSR swap.
If you get LS swap, and then want speed you have to:
1. buy a GSR or B16 tranny anyway
2. open up the LS block and buy B16 pistons anyways
3. use a VTEC head from a GSR or B16
If you get a B16 swap, and want more speed:
1. buy a GSR block.
You already have the desired head and tranny. Even if you use LS bottom end, you still have a B16 to rip pistons from, which youre gonna need. LSVTEC on LS pistons = **** for power. LS tranny = ****.
I think people are forgetting about the JDM DC1 Integras with the SOHC carb ZC...
Or do what I did:
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just because a civic uses the b16 doesn't mean it's the best engine that it can have. civic's also come with sohc non-vtec engines, doesn't mean that you should stick that in an integra. you can get 2 b18b swaps for the price of 1 b16 swap, the extra $ for the b16 is a waste.
This garbage again?
An Integra LS/GSR 2643 LBS
A 00 Civic Si 2612 LBS
The **** has a few LBS differences. The Civic uses a B16 and weighs the same. Whats the big deal. The B16 will always be better than an LS in any situation. As long as you dont use an ****** *** LS trans the B16 will get the car around with enough pull.
Ideally I would get a full GSR swap.
If you get LS swap, and then want speed you have to:
1. buy a GSR or B16 tranny anyway
2. open up the LS block and buy B16 pistons anyways
3. use a VTEC head from a GSR or B16
If you get a B16 swap, and want more speed:
1. buy a GSR block.
You already have the desired head and tranny. Even if you use LS bottom end, you still have a B16 to rip pistons from, which youre gonna need. LSVTEC on LS pistons = **** for power. LS tranny = ****.
I think people are forgetting about the JDM DC1 Integras with the SOHC carb ZC...
Or do what I did:
</TD></TR></TABLE>just because a civic uses the b16 doesn't mean it's the best engine that it can have. civic's also come with sohc non-vtec engines, doesn't mean that you should stick that in an integra. you can get 2 b18b swaps for the price of 1 b16 swap, the extra $ for the b16 is a waste.
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Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (H Twenty Teg)
this topic has been argued 23493843 times already. 1st and 2nd gear the ls will be ahead of the b16, only 3rd and up will the b16 catch up. last thing i'm gonna say about it is that the $ you save could go towards real mods like a turbo. in the end it's not my car so i'm not gonna waste any more effort trying to convince anyone.
Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (civicdxtyper)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS is good for 1 thing:
Saying you have a B series.</TD></TR></TABLE>
really you could say the same thing about a b16
to the OP; an lsvtec/b20vtec is not the way to go if you're looking to do it cheap. they are finicky engines that require lots of extra TLC to get running correctly and reliably. your best bet is another b18c1 in there.
Saying you have a B series.</TD></TR></TABLE>
really you could say the same thing about a b16
to the OP; an lsvtec/b20vtec is not the way to go if you're looking to do it cheap. they are finicky engines that require lots of extra TLC to get running correctly and reliably. your best bet is another b18c1 in there.
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Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (civicdxtyper)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bshshondaman06 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i wouldnt get the b16, i have a big problem with putting a civic engine in an integra. if you are going to go the cheap route then ls/VTEC (vtech is a phone company) a good way to go, however you will need better rods if you wanna rev past stock ls red line. if i were you i would try to find a usdm gsr motor and tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>
b16 came in intergra's to u dumb ***.Gsr are not worth the money 3 g's for a engine that only has 180hp lol. I say go ls turbo or if you really want a lot of power for less just buy a 240sx and drop a rb25 in it and laugh at those gsr owners
b16 came in intergra's to u dumb ***.Gsr are not worth the money 3 g's for a engine that only has 180hp lol. I say go ls turbo or if you really want a lot of power for less just buy a 240sx and drop a rb25 in it and laugh at those gsr owners
Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (civicfla2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicfla2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 came in intergra's to u dumb ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and they were still slow
and they were still slow
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This garbage again?
An Integra LS/GSR 2643 LBS
A 00 Civic Si 2612 LBS
The **** has a few LBS differences. The Civic uses a B16 and weighs the same. Whats the big deal. The B16 will always be better than an LS in any situation. As long as you dont use an ****** *** LS trans the B16 will get the car around with enough pull.
Ideally I would get a full GSR swap.
If you get LS swap, and then want speed you have to:
1. buy a GSR or B16 tranny anyway
2. open up the LS block and buy B16 pistons anyways
3. use a VTEC head from a GSR or B16
If you get a B16 swap, and want more speed:
1. buy a GSR block.
You already have the desired head and tranny. Even if you use LS bottom end, you still have a B16 to rip pistons from, which youre gonna need. LSVTEC on LS pistons = **** for power. LS tranny = ****.
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Wrong, even if the Civic Si weighs the same as an Integra, nobody said Civic Si's are fast. Second, a b16 Integra would not be better in every situation than an LS Integra, daily driving for example. An LS Integra would be much faster at low RPM's than a B16 Integra.
This garbage again?
An Integra LS/GSR 2643 LBS
A 00 Civic Si 2612 LBS
The **** has a few LBS differences. The Civic uses a B16 and weighs the same. Whats the big deal. The B16 will always be better than an LS in any situation. As long as you dont use an ****** *** LS trans the B16 will get the car around with enough pull.
Ideally I would get a full GSR swap.
If you get LS swap, and then want speed you have to:
1. buy a GSR or B16 tranny anyway
2. open up the LS block and buy B16 pistons anyways
3. use a VTEC head from a GSR or B16
If you get a B16 swap, and want more speed:
1. buy a GSR block.
You already have the desired head and tranny. Even if you use LS bottom end, you still have a B16 to rip pistons from, which youre gonna need. LSVTEC on LS pistons = **** for power. LS tranny = ****.
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Wrong, even if the Civic Si weighs the same as an Integra, nobody said Civic Si's are fast. Second, a b16 Integra would not be better in every situation than an LS Integra, daily driving for example. An LS Integra would be much faster at low RPM's than a B16 Integra.
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Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (doood)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to the OP; an lsvtec/b20vtec is not the way to go if you're looking to do it cheap. they are finicky engines that require lots of extra TLC to get running correctly and reliably. your best bet is another b18c1 in there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicfla2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
b16 came in intergra's to u dumb ***.Gsr are not worth the money 3 g's for a engine that only has 180hp lol. I say go ls turbo or if you really want a lot of power for less just buy a 240sx and drop a rb25 in it and laugh at those gsr owners</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah .. since when? You could also say they came with a SOHC...
But guess what, WE are in the United States, not JDM world.
If you really wanna save money, or atleast get more out of an engine for the price of a GSR swap,
pick up a b18b1(ls), and just boost it enough for 200+ hp, you'll be more then happy with that.
Otherwise just put in the stock GSR motor that it needs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicfla2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
b16 came in intergra's to u dumb ***.Gsr are not worth the money 3 g's for a engine that only has 180hp lol. I say go ls turbo or if you really want a lot of power for less just buy a 240sx and drop a rb25 in it and laugh at those gsr owners</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah .. since when? You could also say they came with a SOHC...
But guess what, WE are in the United States, not JDM world.
If you really wanna save money, or atleast get more out of an engine for the price of a GSR swap,
pick up a b18b1(ls), and just boost it enough for 200+ hp, you'll be more then happy with that.
Otherwise just put in the stock GSR motor that it needs.
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Re: need recommendation for engine swap.......new to the integra scene!! (H Twenty Teg)
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Didnt say it was the best. I said a EM1 and a DC2/4 weigh the same, and if the B16 is enough for a Si its enough for the DC2. Either way, you would pull away from LS.
Yes you can get 2 B18B swap for teh same price as B16, because everything on a LS is useless. Useless head, useless tranny, and since you need pistons other than LS, half the block's useless too.
LS is good for 1 thing:
Saying you have a B series.
I'm not saying this cause I have an H, even when I did my first swap, a B16A with LS tranny (stupid mistake I know now)in my EJ1 I knew I wasnt wasting time with LS even then.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if anything is useless...its this post...
just go LS-T...good for DD on low PSI, and fun to drive.... if done right, you'll be spankin B16's...
Didnt say it was the best. I said a EM1 and a DC2/4 weigh the same, and if the B16 is enough for a Si its enough for the DC2. Either way, you would pull away from LS.
Yes you can get 2 B18B swap for teh same price as B16, because everything on a LS is useless. Useless head, useless tranny, and since you need pistons other than LS, half the block's useless too.
LS is good for 1 thing:
Saying you have a B series.
I'm not saying this cause I have an H, even when I did my first swap, a B16A with LS tranny (stupid mistake I know now)in my EJ1 I knew I wasnt wasting time with LS even then.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if anything is useless...its this post...
just go LS-T...good for DD on low PSI, and fun to drive.... if done right, you'll be spankin B16's...
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it all comes down to proper tuning...thats where the funds shud be invested...my bro has a b20/vtec revin like a *****...for ova a yer now, stok evrything....if ure hands on, its also more fun building these engines...as doood sed it needs sum TLC ( Tuning. Love and Cash )
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Re: (H Twenty Teg)
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GSR block B16 head B16 tranny
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Wouldnt putting a b16 head on a gsr block lower compression, making it slower? I think if you want to use that head on a gsr block then you should use ctr pistons to bump the compression back up. But the gsr head overall flows just a good as a b16 head anyway. There is a flow chart comparing the 2 on this site somewhere, and they are almost identical.
GSR block B16 head B16 tranny
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Wouldnt putting a b16 head on a gsr block lower compression, making it slower? I think if you want to use that head on a gsr block then you should use ctr pistons to bump the compression back up. But the gsr head overall flows just a good as a b16 head anyway. There is a flow chart comparing the 2 on this site somewhere, and they are almost identical.
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Wouldnt putting a b16 head on a gsr block lower compression, making it slower? I think if you want to use that head on a gsr block then you should use ctr pistons to bump the compression back up. But the gsr head overall flows just a good as a b16 head anyway. There is a flow chart comparing the 2 on this site somewhere, and they are almost identical.
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.2 compression points isnt going to make a huge difference
Wouldnt putting a b16 head on a gsr block lower compression, making it slower? I think if you want to use that head on a gsr block then you should use ctr pistons to bump the compression back up. But the gsr head overall flows just a good as a b16 head anyway. There is a flow chart comparing the 2 on this site somewhere, and they are almost identical.
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.2 compression points isnt going to make a huge difference
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.2 compression points isnt going to make a huge difference</TD></TR></TABLE>
Either way, whats the point of putting a b16 head on an otherwise stock gsr engine?
.2 compression points isnt going to make a huge difference</TD></TR></TABLE>
Either way, whats the point of putting a b16 head on an otherwise stock gsr engine?
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Either way, whats the point of putting a b16 head on an otherwise stock gsr engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>
poorman's type r's are all the rage now
Either way, whats the point of putting a b16 head on an otherwise stock gsr engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>
poorman's type r's are all the rage now
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Re: (doood)
back to the topic,
i think we all have heard the saying:
Reliable
Powerful
Inexpensive
Pick two
stock LS: reliable and inexpensive
LS-T : powerful, debatably reliable and inexpensive
LS/Vtec: powerful, not cheap and some would argue they are reliable (but it may have taken them a couple tries
GSR/B18C1: powerful (for a stock engine), reliable, cheaper than some more expensive than others.
i would (and will personally) go with an engine that originally came in a USDM Integra for ease of repair, which is inevitable.
also note that everyone has their personal bias for one solution to your problem, so take that into consideration. my bias is for the b18c1 because they have a solid bottom end to work with and i/h/e mixed with cams and some tuning can yield some good N/A reliable power.
i think we all have heard the saying:
Reliable
Powerful
Inexpensive
Pick two
stock LS: reliable and inexpensive
LS-T : powerful, debatably reliable and inexpensive
LS/Vtec: powerful, not cheap and some would argue they are reliable (but it may have taken them a couple tries
GSR/B18C1: powerful (for a stock engine), reliable, cheaper than some more expensive than others.
i would (and will personally) go with an engine that originally came in a USDM Integra for ease of repair, which is inevitable.
also note that everyone has their personal bias for one solution to your problem, so take that into consideration. my bias is for the b18c1 because they have a solid bottom end to work with and i/h/e mixed with cams and some tuning can yield some good N/A reliable power.
