204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM.
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204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM.
Yesterday got my new cams installed and tuned in my 91 hatch.
204 WHP with Type-S pistons, no balance shafts, and in the case of the green graph, Crower stage 2a cams.
Stock IM/TB with an AEM CAI. Stock Prelude header primaries, with a b-pipe from an accord (it fit.)
Proof you don't need high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power.
We couldn't take care of the dip at crossover no matter what we did, just an issue with the stock idle lobes and the aggressive vtec lobes, probably fixable once I do get around to putting in a worthwhile header.
204 WHP with Type-S pistons, no balance shafts, and in the case of the green graph, Crower stage 2a cams.
Stock IM/TB with an AEM CAI. Stock Prelude header primaries, with a b-pipe from an accord (it fit.)
Proof you don't need high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power.
We couldn't take care of the dip at crossover no matter what we did, just an issue with the stock idle lobes and the aggressive vtec lobes, probably fixable once I do get around to putting in a worthwhile header.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (alphajesse)
Yea i think the H22 is gonna come back in popularity.
I heard about a kit..not sure who makes it but it supposedly called the K-Killer....where u can use b-series mounts and a b16 tranny (for example)
It being a hell of alot cheaper than a K series with more torque and only being 20 pounds heavier, matched with the short gears of a b16 trans....its got alot of potential.
I heard about a kit..not sure who makes it but it supposedly called the K-Killer....where u can use b-series mounts and a b16 tranny (for example)
It being a hell of alot cheaper than a K series with more torque and only being 20 pounds heavier, matched with the short gears of a b16 trans....its got alot of potential.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (alphajesse)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Stock IM/TB with an AEM CAI. Stock Prelude header primaries, with a b-pipe from an accord (it fit.)
Proof you don't need high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power.
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Yea of course you don't need "high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power" But do you honestly think that your stock prelude header with accord b-pipe will out perform a rmf or smsp header.
So this is just proof that you don't need fancy parts until you want to make more power then what you are at now.
Stock IM/TB with an AEM CAI. Stock Prelude header primaries, with a b-pipe from an accord (it fit.)
Proof you don't need high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea of course you don't need "high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power" But do you honestly think that your stock prelude header with accord b-pipe will out perform a rmf or smsp header.
So this is just proof that you don't need fancy parts until you want to make more power then what you are at now.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (Newark Built Kandy SiC-RX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newark Built Kandy SiC-RX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea i think the H22 is gonna come back in popularity.
I heard about a kit..not sure who makes it but it supposedly called the K-Killer....where u can use b-series mounts and a b16 tranny (for example)
It being a hell of alot cheaper than a K series with more torque and only being 20 pounds heavier, matched with the short gears of a b16 trans....its got alot of potential.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is called the H2B Kit, made by QuarterSportDrag. With the gearing of the b16 tranny it is "faster" (arguably) than some of the K swaps. But I think it stands to reason that most people would rather spend 3-4 thousand on a proper H swap than the far more expensive K series.
Now I just have to slap that 2.2L beast into my poor little '88 Std. Crx.
I heard about a kit..not sure who makes it but it supposedly called the K-Killer....where u can use b-series mounts and a b16 tranny (for example)
It being a hell of alot cheaper than a K series with more torque and only being 20 pounds heavier, matched with the short gears of a b16 trans....its got alot of potential.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is called the H2B Kit, made by QuarterSportDrag. With the gearing of the b16 tranny it is "faster" (arguably) than some of the K swaps. But I think it stands to reason that most people would rather spend 3-4 thousand on a proper H swap than the far more expensive K series.
Now I just have to slap that 2.2L beast into my poor little '88 Std. Crx.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (Cindy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cindy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yea of course you don't need "high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power" But do you honestly think that your stock prelude header with accord b-pipe will out perform a rmf or smsp header.
So this is just proof that you don't need fancy parts until you want to make more power then what you are at now. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The point is that internal engine parts are a better initial investment.
The current header is a stop-gap until I can get the swap bar'ed. There is no CARB-approved h22 header worth spending money on if you already have a stock one to put on it. Then this thing gets a real header.
Yea of course you don't need "high-dollar parts on the outside of an engine to make power" But do you honestly think that your stock prelude header with accord b-pipe will out perform a rmf or smsp header.
So this is just proof that you don't need fancy parts until you want to make more power then what you are at now.
</TD></TR></TABLE>The point is that internal engine parts are a better initial investment.
The current header is a stop-gap until I can get the swap bar'ed. There is no CARB-approved h22 header worth spending money on if you already have a stock one to put on it. Then this thing gets a real header.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (Cindy)
Cindy lmao..that youtube video link...in the staging lanes you where next to my boy two tone EK
And under the launch labeled "bogged"
I see all my friends walkin towards the cam....lol small world
And under the launch labeled "bogged"
I see all my friends walkin towards the cam....lol small world
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (Newark Built Kandy SiC-RX)
There is still no comparison between the k and the h, k>h anyday. With cams the k's are closer to 250 just as a fyi nice numbers tho!
nice numbers tho!
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (alphajesse)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The point is that internal engine parts are a better initial investment.
The current header is a stop-gap until I can get the swap bar'ed. There is no CARB-approved h22 header worth spending money on if you already have a stock one to put on it. Then this thing gets a real header.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Parts go hand in hand, and each one compliments each other. You have upgraded cams, with a throttle body and at least a port matched intake manifold, the cams would respond much better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newark Built Kandy SiC-RX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cindy lmao..that youtube video link...in the staging lanes you where next to my boy two tone EK
And under the launch labeled "bogged"
I see all my friends walkin towards the cam....lol small world</TD></TR></TABLE>
everytime i see that video that ek catches my eyes. What did it run that day or whats its best time.
And yes this is a very very small world, its amazing
The point is that internal engine parts are a better initial investment.
The current header is a stop-gap until I can get the swap bar'ed. There is no CARB-approved h22 header worth spending money on if you already have a stock one to put on it. Then this thing gets a real header.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Parts go hand in hand, and each one compliments each other. You have upgraded cams, with a throttle body and at least a port matched intake manifold, the cams would respond much better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newark Built Kandy SiC-RX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cindy lmao..that youtube video link...in the staging lanes you where next to my boy two tone EK
And under the launch labeled "bogged"
I see all my friends walkin towards the cam....lol small world</TD></TR></TABLE>
everytime i see that video that ek catches my eyes. What did it run that day or whats its best time.
And yes this is a very very small world, its amazing
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (droppedcrxsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by droppedcrxsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is still no comparison between the k and the h, k>h anyday. With cams the k's are closer to 250 just as a fyi nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea but with the money you save on a h2b swap over a k, you can have a turbo h2b
nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>yea but with the money you save on a h2b swap over a k, you can have a turbo h2b
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (droppedcrxsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by droppedcrxsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is still no comparison between the k and the h, k>h anyday. With cams the k's are closer to 250 just as a fyi nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>
We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
Your secondaries hooked to vtec? could explain slight dip...
nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
Your secondaries hooked to vtec? could explain slight dip...
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (ESP-net)
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We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
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K wins it.
We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
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K wins it.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (Cindy)
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Parts go hand in hand, and each one compliments each other. You have upgraded cams, with a throttle body and at least a port matched intake manifold, the cams would respond much better. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not saying they won't. Internal mods, however are going to get me through a BAR swap certification, while worthwhile stuff elsewhere won't.
I couldn't even put on adjustable cam gears yet.
Parts go hand in hand, and each one compliments each other. You have upgraded cams, with a throttle body and at least a port matched intake manifold, the cams would respond much better. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not saying they won't. Internal mods, however are going to get me through a BAR swap certification, while worthwhile stuff elsewhere won't.
I couldn't even put on adjustable cam gears yet.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (droppedcrxsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by droppedcrxsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is still no comparison between the k and the h, k>h anyday. With cams the k's are closer to 250 just as a fyi nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>
We'll see where I am once I have a real header and a better IM on this sucker.
nice numbers tho!</TD></TR></TABLE>We'll see where I am once I have a real header and a better IM on this sucker.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (black88si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by black88si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any pics of the car? I am considering H2B........Found an engine.....
How does it fit in your EF?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It barely fits, have a SiR style hood, and it's still spaced up. But it moves good, doesn't feel front-heavy or anything.
I am using a 5th gen H22 transmission. No H2B.
How does it fit in your EF?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It barely fits, have a SiR style hood, and it's still spaced up. But it moves good, doesn't feel front-heavy or anything.
I am using a 5th gen H22 transmission. No H2B.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (ESP-net)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ESP-net »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
Your secondaries hooked to vtec? could explain slight dip...
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dynapack bolts to the hubs, but unlike a dynojet, it is a load-bearing dyno so I was able to get part throttle tuned.
Nope, P72, so it has full IAB control. Those open about 4300 on this tune. VTEC engages at 4800.
We need to build 2 EF's K EF (Ryan's) and H22 EF (hint mine) haha and have the same mods stage 2/3 cams etc etc...and do a best out of 5...
(someone throw me some NA dough) I'll drive down to Cali from Wa haha...
I am not a dyno guy but isn't that a hub dyno?
Your secondaries hooked to vtec? could explain slight dip...
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dynapack bolts to the hubs, but unlike a dynojet, it is a load-bearing dyno so I was able to get part throttle tuned.
Nope, P72, so it has full IAB control. Those open about 4300 on this tune. VTEC engages at 4800.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (crxnj)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxnj »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty good numbers..how does it feel?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.
It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (alphajesse)
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It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Smokey *** burnouts without having to clutch drop...FTW
lol.....nice numbers.
WE DEMAND PIXORZ!!!!
It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Smokey *** burnouts without having to clutch drop...FTW
lol.....nice numbers.
WE DEMAND PIXORZ!!!!
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (alphajesse)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd die without my LSD
I made 204 whp 166 wtrq with a JDM H22 HMO crate (Engine un-touched) I/H/E p28 crome dynojet
Lack of decent header and exhaust is choking it on the back end
Keep the stock intake mani
It moves good. It was as fast (from a roll) as my buddy's 3000GT VR-4 when it only had 188 HP. Can't hook for **** from a stop on street tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd die without my LSD
I made 204 whp 166 wtrq with a JDM H22 HMO crate (Engine un-touched) I/H/E p28 crome dynojet
Lack of decent header and exhaust is choking it on the back end
Keep the stock intake mani
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (ESP-net)
i dont want to **** in this thread with a k vs. H argument...
but the k series transmission alone should be why you would want to do the swap.
the gearing is awesome. not to mention 250whp+ with bolt ons and cams. talk about reliable horsepower.
i would love to have an N/A H2B car because of the price.... but honestly, with 2.2L of displacement, they really arent making crazy number like you would expect vs. the 2.0L.
but the k series transmission alone should be why you would want to do the swap.
the gearing is awesome. not to mention 250whp+ with bolt ons and cams. talk about reliable horsepower.
i would love to have an N/A H2B car because of the price.... but honestly, with 2.2L of displacement, they really arent making crazy number like you would expect vs. the 2.0L.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (STREETWERKZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont want to **** in this thread with a k vs. H argument...
but the k series transmission alone should be why you would want to do the swap.
the gearing is awesome. not to mention 250whp+ with bolt ons and cams. talk about reliable horsepower.
i would love to have an N/A H2B car because of the price.... but honestly, with 2.2L of displacement, they really arent making crazy number like you would expect vs. the 2.0L.
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Who ******* cares....its damn near the same power stock to stock and about 1/3 the price if not less.....That gets my vote right there.
but the k series transmission alone should be why you would want to do the swap.
the gearing is awesome. not to mention 250whp+ with bolt ons and cams. talk about reliable horsepower.
i would love to have an N/A H2B car because of the price.... but honestly, with 2.2L of displacement, they really arent making crazy number like you would expect vs. the 2.0L.
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Who ******* cares....its damn near the same power stock to stock and about 1/3 the price if not less.....That gets my vote right there.
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Re: 204 WHP H22 EF. No fancy headers or IM. (SIred91)
204 hub horsepower with type S pistons and cams and a 2.2L
vs
250+ horspower with cams alone and 2.0L with a better geared transmission.
im sorry, they arent anywhere near as close.
if someone thinks a K swap is all hype, go race one, go drive one, or go ride in one and come back.
vs
250+ horspower with cams alone and 2.0L with a better geared transmission.
im sorry, they arent anywhere near as close.
if someone thinks a K swap is all hype, go race one, go drive one, or go ride in one and come back.