i am almost done with my street build.. its a stock gsr bottom end, the head has dished supertech valves and jg springs and retainers with stock gsr cams. im gonna be runnin between 10 and 12 pounds... just curious as to what kinda power u yall think ill be puttin down with this setup?

 

So you have a stock GSR engine with no internals worth mentioning, and nothing to say concerning anything that matters such as what turbo you have.

I say it'll make 147 whp, 4 whp less than stock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you have a stock GSR engine with no internals worth mentioning, and nothing to say concerning anything that matters such as what turbo you have.
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check out this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1501150
also, what manifold is that? the wg placement is atrocious...

 

10-12 psi stock bottom end? Hope you got a good intercooler and a good tune!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kamira &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">10-12 psi stock bottom end? Hope you got a good intercooler and a good tune! </TD></TR></TABLE>
i ran my car for many many miles on 12psi on a stock bottom end w/ an ebay ic. granted blundar tuned my setup , but it's been done many times.

 

What I'm curious about is why you have springs & retainers on an otherwise stock motor. Its not like you can safely rev the **** out of it (rod bolts) or make power by revving it (cams & gears). You could have had a much better setup if you'd have used the money on rods/pistons rather than on parts you can't use to half of their potential (IM, springs/retainers). And even if you claim you got them for free, you could have sold them and got forged internals for just a few more bills.

For what looks like a s-trim to 57-trim sized turbo, you'll be looking at 275-325whp if you can hold 12psi w/o creaping.

My guess is you're building another block? It just seems to pointless to me, having 2 blocks and 1 head. I'd rather have 2 heads and 1 block, and build the block first. So many people put in the weak block, blow it up, then use that as an excuse to put the built one in. If you have a built block and stock head instead, you won't 'blow' he head, just max it out. Then you can sell it once the built head is done and upgrate to a BB turbo or something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I'm curious about is why you have springs & retainers on an otherwise stock motor. Its not like you can safely rev the **** out of it (rod bolts)</TD></TR></TABLE>

I disagree about the rod bolts. Rod bolts are not now, nor have they ever been, a weak link in Honduh engines. That's an old myth I though quashed by '99 or so, it's odd to have been away from HT for a couple years and have people throwing that bit of disinformation around again.

GSR/ITR rods are, however, known for breaking down the beam during compression downshifting, even in stock applications. Even quality factory forgings have their limits.

 

and Joseph Davis is trying to be nice here.. so work with him guy

 

Pffft!

 

Around 300whp is where I would call it quits on a stock B series bottom end if this is your daily driver.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I'm curious about is why you have springs & retainers on an otherwise stock motor. Its not like you can safely rev the **** out of it (rod bolts) or make power by revving it (cams & gears). You could have had a much better setup if you'd have used the money on rods/pistons rather than on parts you can't use to half of their potential (IM, springs/retainers). And even if you claim you got them for free, you could have sold them and got forged internals for just a few more bills.

For what looks like a s-trim to 57-trim sized turbo, you'll be looking at 275-325whp if you can hold 12psi w/o creaping.

My guess is you're building another block? It just seems to pointless to me, having 2 blocks and 1 head. I'd rather have 2 heads and 1 block, and build the block first. So many people put in the weak block, blow it up, then use that as an excuse to put the built one in. If you have a built block and stock head instead, you won't 'blow' he head, just max it out. Then you can sell it once the built head is done and upgrate to a BB turbo or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i do have pauter rods and arias pistons that i was gonna run but the sleeved block i bought was cracked cuz hulkhb ripped me off so until i get enough money 2 get another block im runnin the stock bottom end 4 now cuz i need my car runnin... and yes its a 57 trim turbonetics ball bearing turbo with short tubular mani, tial 38mm wg, dsm 450's, and i dont know what intercooler it is i have but the ends r 2 and a quarter.. and id rather run a stock bottom end than a stock head on boost anyway, stock head wont take the abuse that a stock bottom end will take ive seen a stock heads retainer crack under boost and ruin everything id definately rather run stock bottom end anyday!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Around 300whp is where I would call it quits on a stock B series bottom end if this is your daily driver.</TD></TR></TABLE>

X2 and this can be easily done depending on the set up/motor its going on . Buddy of mine has a stock bottom end b16a2 with a MLS HG , springs,retainers,and CTR cams and he made 325 on 10lbs...But this was using a Full Race stage 2 GT kit
And its DD and has done 12.00 on DR. 300 is perfect for a DD

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Around 300whp is where I would call it quits on a stock B series bottom end if this is your daily driver.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not to call you a puss... but damn your a puss! Have some faith in the b-series lowers. No truly i understand thats a safe and daily beatable number. i pushed 370ish out of a b18c1 for 15k before i had some extra loot for a bottom end build. I beat the living **** out of it because i had a spare block but, it never did go.

 

you said a little turbo,stock bottom end what turbo are you using?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 50SaysHeEatsIt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

X2 and this can be easily done depending on the set up/motor its going on . Buddy of mine has a stock bottom end b16a2 with a MLS HG , springs,retainers,and CTR cams and he made 325 on 10lbs...But this was using a Full Race stage 2 GT kit
And its DD and has done 12.00 on DR. 300 is perfect for a DD </TD></TR></TABLE>

Turbonetics 60-1
ITR Cams
Stock block,sleeve and valve train
Hondata s200b
Boosted for 8 months

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaCivicSiR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you said a little turbo,stock bottom end what turbo are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>

57 trim ball bearing turbonetics... all i got 4 now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TcUiRvBiOc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

57 trim ball bearing turbonetics... all i got 4 now.</TD></TR></TABLE>so it's a t3/t4?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaCivicSiR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so it's a t3/t4?</TD></TR></TABLE>

YES

 

What kind of IM is that? Did you just cut up the gsr one and weld a big plenum onto it? I'm curious to see another pic of that thing..

On your exh manifold, I don't like that the tube going to the wastegate doesn't come from the intersection of the 4 runners..but you probably already know about that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TcUiRvBiOc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

id rather run a stock bottom end than a stock head on boost anyway, stock head wont take the abuse that a stock bottom end will take ive seen a stock heads retainer crack under boost and ruin everything id definately rather run stock bottom end anyday!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

How is boost going to crack a retainer? How does forced induction put more force aginst the retainers? The only thing applying force against the retainers is the springs. You just witnessed a random occurence, bad luck.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of IM is that? Did you just cut up the gsr one and weld a big plenum onto it? I'm curious to see another pic of that thing..

On your exh manifold, I don't like that the tube going to the wastegate doesn't come from the intersection of the 4 runners..but you probably already know about that</TD></TR></TABLE>

its a jg sheetmetal prototype for the victor x...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How is boost going to crack a retainer? How does forced induction put more force aginst the retainers? The only thing applying force against the retainers is the springs. You just witnessed a random occurence, bad luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont know how to explain it but i was told that the valve on my buddy's car dropped cuz at high rpm and under a decent amount of boost the stock valvetrain cant handle it... thats what ive heard.

 

you gonna have Dave Lee tune it? if he does im sure you will get 300-320whp... if not, im sure it will blow up before then...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of IM is that? Did you just cut up the gsr one and weld a big plenum onto it? I'm curious to see another pic of that thing..

On your exh manifold, I don't like that the tube going to the wastegate doesn't come from the intersection of the 4 runners..but you probably already know about that</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah i was wondering bout the wastegate tube coming out on that one runner, is this a problem, will it work ok?

 

Isn't that wastegate positioning just begging for boost creep?