what doy uo think would be better in a hatch

 

b18c5, however either way you go itll cost yah a lot of money. trade in ur hatch and get an si and go from there. personally i think its worth it. dohc v-tech is what u need at the start, take it and go from there. whatever u get just make sure its dohc v-tech

 

b18c5 because it belongs there. I think you're the lucky 100th person to ask this same question this week. H22 is a stupid person swap. It costs tons of money, and is not efficient per the power it makes. But if crazy swaps is your thing, that's cool too.

No offense to any of the people who actually have h22's in their civics, but you know where i'm coming from, you can't tell me you didn't want to smash your head against a wall the entire time you were getting that thing put in.


[Modified by Plan B, 11:10 PM 5/27/2002]

 

what about a b20/v??

 

h22 is a stupid person swap? is that because you cant turn at all and it weighs like 2 tons? lotta stupid people out there then huh? its all preferences.

 

b20's just might be as big a pain in the *** as a h22.

Take it from me.

 

b18c1, and save the extra 2k

 

umm, okay........whatever you say buddy

 

B18C5. Its a easier swap, and you can do it at home. And you get more respect. I think. HEHEHE

 

do what ever you want if you want to go fast in a straight line then get an h22 but if you want to do some other thinngs build a motor with all the same charactoristics as the h22

 

umm, ya ok whatever ya say.
for 1, it's VTEC
for 2, "whatever u get just make sure it's dohc v-tech" - huh??? B18C5 and H22 are both dual cam vtec to let ya know, and either engine in his hatch will be faster than an Si. Just because an Si comes with a b16a stock doesn't mean it's 'cool' because it comes stock with dohc vtec.

and

umm, ok, where do i start on this one.

H22 is a stupid person swap?? where the hell did u get that from, actually you have to have very good knowlege to be able to put that beast into a civic chassis anyways.

and as for "and is not efficient per the power it makes". Actually H22 is one of the most beefiest 4 banger vtecs made by honda, and has AWESOME torque for the motor it is, and u can't say that plus or minus 200 hp (minimum 190 for USDM and 220 for Type-S), how can u not say it's not "efficient per the power it makes"

h22 swap will actually cost you less than b18c5 swap doing it urself AND gettin it installed professionally, unless you get some great hook-up, it's not really gonna happen.

for an all around street car, I'd say you get a B18C5 if you can afford it for 1, and 2 it's a great motor stock and u'll be happy you got it. For h22, you'll also love it, you will have to upgrade stuff such as springs (i'd get the best race spring rate from an integra), bigger brakes (aem big brake is fine), and z10 radius arms and the best mount/axle combo for traction. but like i said, takes knowledge to know what to get, etc.

for you, and for BOTH best results -- again if you can afford it, I'd go B20/vtec, because it's best of both words and is B series as well. B20/vtec is the lil brother for a beast of an H22 pretty much, develops pretty much the same numbers, and weighs less.

for h22 swap though, it's awesome, and that's exactly why I am swapping it into my car.

any debates against me, go ahead, im done here for now -- good luck whatever motor u get


[Modified by poison, 10:04 PM 5/27/2002]

 

hes freakin right about gettin the Si. Use the 5k you woul spend on a type r motor to buy a clean 93 si hatch, then sell your car and use that money to turbo the si. Cheaper then puttin in a type r motor. While type r motors are good. Far too much money. I can buy a 93 Civic Si (whole car) for less then a type r motor. H22a are good, but the weight can create a bad understeer. I you are gonna swap, go with a B18c and save 2k. Then if you feel daring, use the 2k you saved and turbo it.

 

GSR Motor and work it.

Miguel

 

If I had to do it again, I would use an H-series engine .

 

You must have lost to a civic with an H22, if you hate the swap so much. I have the h22 in a full race car debuting this August. Who ever told you this swap is hard? And whoever told you this swap is expensive? The whole motorswap kit will cost no more than $2500. Plus labor if you dont know what you're doing.

 

I was actually going to go with the h22 setup on my cx, but I ended up changing to a b20vtec in the end. If your choosing between a h22 or a c5, I would pick the h22. I think that would be dope in a hatch. Also on the understeer side, I heard that it is not as bad as what a lot of people say it is. Do the h22, and spend the extra money on something else, like suspension, or build with the h22.

 

If I could have gotten A/C with an H22 swap their is no way in hell my B18C1 would be in my engine bay!

 

Why do you guys want to get the heaviest model of all the hatchbacks? It doesn't compute with me.

 

h22a is only 85 pounds heavier than a b16a. cf hood and relocate the battery to the trunk and at least half of that weight is gone. and whats with all these people that haven't had the swap saying it's bad. every person that i have talked to on this forum that actually has the swap loves it and says the understeer is nothing to worry about. i think everybody that's against the h22a swap needs to quit lying to theirselves and others.

 

B18C5 is WAY over priced, and i hope noone disagrees with me.

LS/VTEC if built right can make more power per dollar spent, id go LS/VTEC over B18C5.

 

Alright..i hate it when people say the h22a swap will make your car understeer alot!Unless you have some really bad suspension problems,the car will be fine.ive been driving my del sol with an h22a for two years now.I am using some comptech springs with some stock shocks.I dont feel any bad understeer,but i will admit,the car will not handle like a stock gsr or prelude.But drivability is still very good.The only bad things i have know to find bad about this swap is 1. The ground clearance for the header,of course a bigger,taller engine. 2. clearance for doing timingbelt work,thats why i recommend getting the h23 timming belt tensioner parts before the engine goes in,will make future timming belt work on the engine a breeze. 3. You will need a bigger radiator.i used my stock one for 6months,when i finally got the dual core radiator and another aftermarket fan,it stayed even cooler than before.And the radiator fan turned on less.Yes,the engine has a very tight fit,but if you remove the crank pulley,tb,alternator bracket,tranny mount,the engine will fit in,then just reassemble everthing once your done.The shift linkage is another thing that has been dealt with many times already..not a big issue as many think.A gsr motor goes for 4000-5000 dollars.Sometimes your lucky to get all the mounts with it and axles.prelude motors go for 2000-2500,mounts and brackets are 600-700 or so.so you have a little over 1000 bux to play with.Plus,these motors are very reliable with certain limitations as any stock motor would have.Ive raced many civic hybrids with gsr's and won,and i always get the same bs excuse"Your using nitrous!!!"No i wasnt!..the prelude motor is fuggin fast as a stock motor!Now if you really want to spend the money,get a b20 block with a vtec head and build it up.Its the only way to make it reliable and fast.

 

if you think about it, the H22A weights about 65-70lbs more than a B18C. But the H22 is tilted towards the firewall, not straight up like the B18C. If you have stiff enough springs and shocks an H22A will work fine in a hatch. Ive got a buddie with a B18C5 EG and his car hauls. But he has driven an H22A EG (both at buttonwillow) and he said the H22A pulls soooo much harder on the straights. He felt like he was constantly at redline in the B18C5, but with the H22A, he could hang around 6-7000rpm and still just go as fast.

 

trust me my friend has a b18c powerd civic and aeolus gots his h22 del sol they dont EVEN compare the h22 blows the doors off almost any other b series NA honda out there unless its gots a b20/vtec built. As much as i dont wanna sound like a fuggin muscle car guy. there is no replacement for displacement boys and your gonna have to live by it as much as you dont want to.... unless you get turbo.. now thats another story haha.

 

B18c1
but if you must B18c5

 

i say go with the b18 because you really cant go wrong. it bolts right in and it give well enough power. i seen a few peeps that did h22 and wasnt to happy. i went b18c1 and im very happy you wanna go b18c5 trust


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