Im most likely going to go with these cams seeing how it's my DD and Im not looking for anything crazy. Just a little extra pull to have fun with on the streets. But I have some questions. Do you need adj cam gears to really make any power with these or do the stock cam gears work just fine? How are these cams vs ITR cams? Can good power still be made with these cams with the stock b16 compression ratio or should I get a thinner HG? Any additional info I should know about these cams, plus let me know. Im very interested in finding out everything I can about them.

 

There SOOO many threads on these cams. Please search.

 

yea I know there is man. I've seen several dyno's of them making HUGE improvements on midrange power opposed to some other cams but I haven't been able to find out if you need adj gears to make the power. And I still haven't found a good reference to how they compare to ITR cams.

 

When we installed BC3+'s on a friend of mine's ITR, we gained an additional ~8whp by advancing the intake cam a couple of degrees and leaving the exhaust cam alone.

If you can afford the time, messing with cam phasing can usually extract a couple more hp. However, every set of Buddy Club cams I've delt with don't respond well to large changes in cam timing, and usually make their best power at 0,0. This is all assuming you or your builder degreed the cams in on the correct centerlines.

 

thanks bro, yea Im trying to avoid adj gears. I've never been a big fan of them. I've got ITR cams right now and from everything Im seeing, the BC3's will make a great difference in midrange and will most likely net me a couple more hp at peak too. The midrange they seem to give would be fun. How did it feel when you drove the car after the install? And how much tuning was done?

 

I had BC3s after my ITRs and I didn't like them really. Given I didn't tune with either cams on a stock B16, I felt like the ITRs felt better on the butt dyno.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkoundrelUSA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had BC3s after my ITRs and I didn't like them really. Given I didn't tune with either cams on a stock B16, I felt like the ITRs felt better on the butt dyno. </TD></TR></TABLE>that your problem... no tuning.

 

yea with tuning, Im sure you would've noticed some kind of difference in a good way. Whatever I get will be dyno tuned right after the install.

 

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I never drove the car, but he liked the way it felt a lot.

As for the tuning, complete fuel and ignition tuning + cam gears. We also did a bit of work on the partials and tip-in enrichments. Was about 2hrs on the dyno.

 

oh ok sweet. How was the increase in the midrange opposed to the ITR cams?

 

Generous. I'll dig through the computer and I'll try and find the graphs.

 

why would you not want adj cam gears? i think it is nice to set the cams where they should be.. you will def get better results by having them..

shawn

 

I don't want them because there's always a possibility of them slipping. I just don't trust it.

 

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Theres also a possibility of your timing belt shearing its teeth off and having your whole motor go to **** over that. Are you also not going to run a timing belt?

 

smart ***. Why put 2 risks in the same area then if you want to put it that way?

 

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if that's your thinking why even modify the engine then? you always run the risk of something going bad when you start messing with it.

 

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if that's your thinking why even modify the engine then? you always run the risk of something going bad when you start messing with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
well said..

 

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Why even try to make more HP? It just increases cylinder pressure which can lead to broken internals?

Cmon man, properly install the gears and you will have zero problems. If youre worried about not having the ability to properly install cam gears, i would stay away from building engines altogether.

 

lol...Did I say I couldn't properly install them? I've done it several times on other cars and they've never slipped but I just don't want them. This is off topic guys. I was ONLY wondering if I needed them...not how many of your asses thought I was stupid if I didn't want them because they could possibly slip.

 

you will need to tune so yes u need cam gears.
or just degree them

 

get the bisi cams gears, slip proof if that's your concern. that way you can extract the most hp when you tune

 

Blue = NGK Resistor plugs, BC3+ Cams & Cam Gears, Honda S100
Black = NGK Resistor plugs (one died during pull), BC3+ Cams & Gears, S100
Red = NGK Iridium plugs, BC3+ Cams & Gears, S100

All the pulls were done during the same dyno session. Superflow Chassis Dyno (Read: Typically 15% lower numbers compared to Dynojet.)
Fuel and ignition timing were not altered during session.



Stock 98 Spec ITR block.
Red = Hondata S100, BC3+ cams WITH BC cam gears, Tuned
Green = p73 ECU, stock ITR cams.

 

zegs, why is there such a big discrepancy between the red and the blue run, specially in the low end? were cam gear settings changed between those runs?

 

thanks for those graphs! I MAY look into some gears also. Man that stock ITR dyno is awesome. Same exact peak numbers but like 15whp higher at VTEC and holds more power throughout the entire powerband. That much more midrange would feel pretty nice on a little torqueless b16