I know this guy who has B16 in his CRX SI. He's been wanting to race me. I have not raced anyone with this set up before. Anyone can fill me in with its 1/4 time.
My car weighs 2500 with me in it. CRX SI weighs 2200 lbs and probably around 2360 with him in it. Who do you think would win considering that we're both okay drivers.

 

You should win with your Ls/Vtec in my opinion.

 

first off trim level has nothing to do w/ anything. my si vs his si = doesnt matter. your ls vtec should win. i say this just b/c im not a fan of the b16

 

Don't be too sure the Ls will win. CRX's weigh about 2170 lbs at the heaviest, and around the 1900's lbs at the lightest (depends what year - e.g. '90 Si 2150 lbs approx)
I think it's fair to say that they'd be pretty even (If the B16 swap was done well, and is in good condition) and whoever ends up winning would prolly have the better driving skillz.

 

yeppers. im still pulling for the ls tho

 

anyone knows the 1/4 time of a B16 CRX

 

Im not sure how fast u run but my crx, 2340 with me in it, with a b16 and boltons will run mid 13's all day, and a personel best of 13.62 check how fast yours is then u will have a better idea

 

b16 1/4s vary greatly on driver. low 15 to mid 13. if you cant hit 13's you cant drive very well hehe

 

Im gonna have to call bs on that onw buddy. I have seen MANY crx's with b16's and very talented drivers and they only hit mid 14's. I drove my best friends that has i/h/e...itr and ctr cams...aem fuel management system...and bunch of other **** and i only got it to 14.1. And any of you who say that i cant drive can eat my *** because ive probably logged more 1/4 mile runs than most of you. Anyway...the civic would definately win. I know that weight would USUALLY be a big factor but since its not that big of a difference it wont matter too much. The fact is that the b16 is the most overrated engine you can put into a honda. 160 hp=an average of mid to high 14's in a 2000lb car . The ls-vtec is probably one of the most potent engines out there. It has the big torque found in non vtec engines plus vtec. It will beat him...trust me man. Besides ive seen this exact same setup run a million times at the track. The ls-vtec hardly ever loses and when it does its usually b/c its a bad engine. Like i always say...hp sales cars...torque wins races.

Sean


[Modified by sCeRaXn, 1:51 AM 5/27/2002]

 

well.. old 91 CRX SI with LS/VTEC ran 13.6. And my bro's old B16A(170HP) 91 SI HB ran 13.6 as well with a 50 shot. No Nos..and it ran 14 flat

 

scer(whatever) u can call it what u want, heres the slip, heres teh dyno, and I am lookin for a pic or the vid with my corrosponding # visible on the window. I am not a super dragger, I just go to have fun. I would rather run cones anyday and thus my car is set up for that. Im not sure y my setup works as it does but if u do the math, I am running right about where I should be




So now b4 u start spewing sh%$ out your *** make sure u know what your talking bout

 

OK ****...no need to get a tude here. You said a b16 w/bolt ons...that usually mean mild work. if youre car really puts down 171 hp at the wheels then you have ALOT more than a few bolt ons because i know that a b16 usually only puts down around 140-145 at the wheels. Hell i could post a chart saying that i put down 698hp because thats what my dads 69 camaro has. Im not saying that its not your chart...its just that every time i got dynoed(3 times) the chart had 96 eclipse gs turbo(which is what i had) written on it and i dont see anthing about what kind of car was being dynoed on the paper. It may very well be yours but im just saying that were online and there is no way for me to varify it...if i can find my old eclipse dyno charts id post that my crx is putting down 243hp. But even if you are pushing 171 hp and 118 lbs of torque that doesnt mean that he is. And even if he was that doesnt mean that hed win. Ive personally seen BONE STOCK ls-vtec's being dynoed hitting over 180hp and 135lbs of torque. Im sorry but a properly tuned ls-vtec will walk all over a b16 for the simple fact that No vtec engines hit there peak torque until they are in vtec land which is usually over 5000 rpm's. Because the ls-vtec is a hybrid it will hit its peak torque around 1500 or 2000 rpm's less than that. I mean look at your own graph....thats not exactly a monster torque machine(you dodnt hit your peak tirque until around 7400 rpm's). I wish people would stop thinking that a certain car will win b/c it has more hp. Hell ive beaten a damn 99 Si in my moms 96 teg LS because i got so far ahead he couldnt catch up(not even with the all mighty "VTEC"). And i did that thanks to goo ole torque. Im sorry if ive pissed you off but im just going going by what ive experienced. You know what i always say...well just refer to the above post.

Sean

 

thats why you get b20... with a JRSC.......

 

O yeah and dont say **** about 2ks first of all the slip matches the number on the window to that number on the slip. Anyways that is what he has so lay oiff him.

Just cause your jealous.......

 

i totall agree with you sceraxin...... usual times around here are mid 15's to mid 14's. But thats at 2600 ft elevation, so at sea level knock off maybe .3 of a sec off. My personal best was 14.6 intake and exhaust only. And just like sceraxn said, most b16a's put down 140-150. If you are putting down close to 180 whp, then yeah of course you are going to be running mid 13's. but thats not with bolt on's, buddy. just my 2 cents.... and the lsvtec better win.

 

Torque of course a nice thing to have, but in a light hatch chassis, and excessive amount isn't needed either.

 

Speaking of rereading post sc, if u had read mine in the first place instead of just lookin to pick a fight u would have seen that what I did is post what my car ran so if the guy wondering knew what he ran he could compare and judge for himself wether he would win or not. I did not say that a lsvtec woulnt/couldnt/shouldnt win, I just gave him a base to work with. Its obvious that all things biing equal(including driver) the bigger motor should win, but when are all things equal.

as for major work, this is what I got

2nd gen b16
I/h/e
bored t/b
itr cams
cam gears
crank pulley
flywheel
nology plugs and wires

Not really built in my opinion, but if I get my b20 block it will be

 

Did i say anything about the slip? GOD D@MN is every person on here an *** hole? I was just giving my opinion and everybody jumps all over me. You are SOOOOO cool man....let me tell ya. Is that a picture of you because every time you post something you sound like a retard....who the f#ck is 2ks? I was just merely stating the fact that you cant always trust what you see on the net...OK??? And yea....im REAL jealous. I dont give a rats *** if a persons car is faster than mine because i know that i will eventually catch up and even pass most of them . Ive only had the CRX for a little over 3 months now....give me time and i then talk ****. Why is everyone on here so offensive? Can you not just give your point of view w/o being flamed?

Sean

 

sorry, torque can be multiplied by gearing so its not all that important. HP is a measure of work being done, if you want a fast car you want high HP.

HP wins races, PERIOD.

 

Wouldn't it be possible to post those numbers with a B16B Jdm 97+ TypeR motor w/ bolt ons?Just curious.

 

Didnt know cams were considered bolt on......


Yager-

 

sorry, torque can be multiplied by gearing so its not all that important. HP is a measure of work being done, if you want a fast car you want high HP.

HP wins races, PERIOD.

Torque can be ADJUStED by gearing. But not enough to make 20lbs. Horsepower is a measure of how much the engine is working to move a car at a certain speed at a certain rpm. Torque is the amount of power that is acually moving the wheels...the more pounds of pressure you have pushing the wheels the faster you will go. Its simple...lets put it into terms that you might be able to understand. Lets say that there was a man(and for arguemnts sake lets say it was you) who was flogging his log. You could say that hp was the measure of how much his body was working to do this. Torque was the amount of power that he is usg to pump his we littl hand up and down. So like i said...hp sales cars...torque wins races.

Sean

 

just race him and stop all this ****.
now everbody is here talking about tq and hp remember they are talking about crx's to much tq would just spin the f@#k out of the tires and he would go no where
so unless the guy w/lsvtec can drive good he aint going nowhere.

 

No, tq can't be adjusted to make 20lbs on a chart... SURE IT CAN. Just use a shorter gear... lots of people cheat on their dynos that way... do you really think 118 ft-lbs is going to pull a 2000-lb car off the line? That's all you have - in 4th gear. In 1st gear you have something like... 1687.4 ft-lbs. That's the 1st gear ratio multiplied by the final drive multiplied by the torque. Obviously the tire size and rim size factor into that too so this is a rough estimate but you get the idea. That's over a thousand ft-lbs to the wheels there buddy, with obvious huge falloff every time you shift .

Please read this page before you post about hp vs tq: http://www.to4r.com/techtorquevshpprimer.html

It will change your perceptions about everything.

At least get the facts before you argue... please...

BTW, I think the LS-VTEC will whup the B16 CRX's *** hahahah... but it will blow up first


[Modified by raene, 1:18 AM 5/27/2002]

 

raene has already proven you wrong, and if you're wondering why everybody ELSE is an *******, maybe you should sit back, and take a look at YOURSELF first, ********. being a cocky **** doesnt exactly gain you respect here, but it sure does make you look stupid

have a nice day.




[Modified by HyperREV, 6:28 PM 5/28/2002]