I'll be running a remote oil filter + oil cooler combo.

Anyone come across problems slapping over a spin-on adapter plate (for an oil cooler) over the oem oil cooler? This is the stock cooler that sits between the oil filter and the block.

 

Why do you feel you need an oil cooler? Or should I say more oil cooler capacity than the stock water cooler provides?

It would not be advisable to put a spin adapter on top of the stock cooler. Take it off and put the adapter on in place of it. If you decide to run some sort of oil cooler, you need to plan on running an oil thermostat, so your oil warms up properly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboteener &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do you feel you need an oil cooler? Or should I say more oil cooler capacity than the stock water cooler provides?

It would not be advisable to put a spin adapter on top of the stock cooler. Take it off and put the adapter on in place of it. If you decide to run some sort of oil cooler, you need to plan on running an oil thermostat, so your oil warms up properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting advice from someone who doesn't know what their talking about.

Put the aftermarket oil cooler on TOP of the OEM one. It will be fine. Sometimes when you run the sandwhich adapters they sell on egay, they will not fit flush against the back of the block because there isn't enough room. Using the OEM oil cooler first gives some clearance.

Here is my oil filter relocator/oil cooler on top of OEM cooler.

 

Thanks for the verification!

One reason why I'll be running an oil cooler is that I am very particular about oil.

An inline thermostat will be part of the setup...or I can maybe even forego it since the car is stored during the winter.

I am also anticipating on joining a few HPDEs, so an oil cooler wouldn't hurt at all...given that I'm running NA.

I am also a hard parker...and an oil cooler sitting up front gives me a boner.

 

I thought he was referring to the type of spin on plate that allows the filter to be located on top of the adapter. If you are relocating the whole deal, then I don't see why you couldn't do that.

You realize that the factory oil to water cooler will be just as effective as an air to air cooler twice to three times the size.

 

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Any concrete evidence or proof to back this up?

Also, I've heard running a remote oil filter and cooler will be dangerous with stock oiling systems (pressure loss). Can anyone verfiy this?

 

As long as theres enough oil to make the pressure, than it will be fine.

 

Thermodynamics. The Law of physics? Is that good enough proof for you. Water is a better cooling medium than air. Why do you think we aren't all driving aircooled cars? Why do air to air intercoolers have to be so big when an air to water can be a relatively small package?

 

you guys are looking at this all the wrong way...the stock cooler uses what as a cooling medium...oh wait coolant....coolant passes thru the motor and does what...gets hot...approx 180-190F in most setups.....now this is your stock cooling medium...regardless of how fast the heat is being transfered...its still at 190 degrees!

whereas a a/a oil cooler the amibient temps of the air are going to be much lower than 190....for example lets say 90....thats still a 100 degree difference...regardless tho you do want to keep your oils warm....so that you get proper pressure & lubircation to all critical surfaces

 

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Any concrete evidence or proof to back this up?

Also, I've heard running a remote oil filter and cooler will be dangerous with stock oiling systems (pressure loss). Can anyone verfiy this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

On some turbocharged HPDE applications that I've used oil coolers on, the placement of the relocation kit MUST be optimum in order to keep oil pressure and volume consistant. (must be below the original oil filter location, so gravity doesn't rear its ugly head. In some events I've run, I've noticed that damage such as oil starvation can result (mainly to the head) than any place else. I've also found that the oil cooler unit runs more effectively on the SIDE by the wheel well, and that a good sandwich adapter with the accompanying thermostats help with WHEN the oil is released to the cooler, instead of all of the time. It's not just about oil pressure, it is about Oil Temperature. In road racing, especially turbocharged, some oil temperatures reach in excess of over 330degrees F. In some cases, depending upon the oil used, that is thermal breakdown temperature. Even many N/A appications use an Air-to-air oil cooler in the longer endurance events, since each session can last up to about 20-25 minutes of CONSTANT use, not the (hopefully) 14 seconds or less that drag racing cars use. Even the HPDE Mitsubishi eclipses and Evos use an UPGRADED Air-to-air due to the constant motion of air going into the oil cooler.
Type R OEM oil coolers still see over 220degree temps because the heat transfer properties of the water are ineffective after the water heats to over 98degree celcius.

Oil coolers for the street aren't that necessary, but for long endurance events, they're almost a complete requirement, depending upon application and setup.

 

Oil temp must get to above 212F in order to burn of the water that will cause acid build up in the oil. The acid will attack the internals of the engine. The hotter you can run the oil and it not break down the better. Less internal friction. I have heard, but can not verify that some CUP teams are running oil temps in excess of 300 degrees.

One of the benefits of an oil -water cooler would be faster warm up times for the oil. On the street that would cut wear on the engine.

In reality a sizable air to oil cooler is a good upgrade from no cooler at all and will help take some load off your radiator. For turbo cars running extended track events proper oil cooling is extremely important.