just curious why people say crome is free and much cheaper than hondata.I just read the whole wiki on pgmfi.org and when everything is said and done you are going to be paying nearly the same with all of the romeditors,burners,sodering,desodering,sodering kit. it seems like in the long run you save like 100 dollars and you get more headaches,rather than just buy s300 plug and play?

with reading everything about tuneing(and by no means do i know what i will be doing yet) but i see that you need a bunch of **** to use crome, and then all of it adds up to around 400-500 rather than just buy s300 with less hassle and time saved + you get more options with s300 rather than regular crome

can somebody explain this to me?

 

because usually you can go to a tuner and they will install a crome tuned chip and tune the car for the same price as youll get a hondata setup alone untuned..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by big-cat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just curious why people say crome is free and much cheaper than hondata.I just read the whole wiki on pgmfi.org and when everything is said and done you are going to be paying nearly the same with all of the romeditors,burners,sodering,desodering,sodering kit. it seems like in the long run you save like 100 dollars and you get more headaches,rather than just buy s300 plug and play?

with reading everything about tuneing(and by no means do i know what i will be doing yet) but i see that you need a bunch of **** to use crome, and then all of it adds up to around 400-500 rather than just buy s300 with less hassle and time saved + you get more options with s300 rather than regular crome

can somebody explain this to me? </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can assemble a chipped ECU for roughly $25, assuming you're already OBD-1. If not, add about $175 or so for an ECU and harness and you're right around $200 for a completely tuneable system. You can then take this setup to a tuner and have it tuned (almost any legitimate tuner should have the necessary hardware such as a burner, ROMulator, etc.).

Check out the Hondata pricing structure, and you'll see that it will cost quite a bit more (even if you're already OBD-1), and you still won't be able to tune it yourself without even greater expense.

I think the mistake you're making is comparing the cost of a Crome setup plus all the necessary items to tune it yourself, versus just the base cost of a Hondata setup that you'll have to pay someone else to tune.

 

crome is a much better platform. lots of stuff to play with

 

Are you shitting me? Another one of these threads.

Crome pro 150.00
wideband 300.00
ostrich 175.00
Burn1 85.00
couple extra chips if wanted 25.00
Datalogging cable 30.00
total=765.00 (damn I guess I did spend that much)
This is all brand new stuff. I got my WO2 a little cheaper.
This is everything to have a cadillac? crome setup minus labtop and a chipped ecu.

Plus moates stands behind is equipment and John as busy as he is has always been a help.

You could run a lot cheaper with just crome free version and have someone tune it. But every time you change something else guess what? need a retune.
Widebands are good anyway so you can monitor your motor and should be the first sensor anyone should get.

Running mine on a IBM T30 60g HD, 2mh processor and 512mb ram (600.00 but I got all the extras and an extra battery) got hooked up by a guy at work. Any problems and free repairs.

Flawless setup. But my circumstance is different. I would have to drive at the very minimum 4+ hours to find a tuner. So I am on my own. Mechanic in town has a dyno and lets me jump on there for free. And I have the equipment to help tune others in area if need be.

Hondata s300. I guess its a very nice setup from a corporate money hungry standpoint.

But Crome supports all the diy'ers that have busted there *** for the Honda community to keep things lower budget minded.

Hope any of this helps and yes I am biased on this topic.

 

wait doesnt honda s300 basically have everything that you just named except its 595 which is like 100 cheaper all i would need to do or have someone else do is chip my ecu and i can plug and play and learn how to work hondata? i prob just got owned because i havent researched hondata yet. its just everybody says crome is free and im like wtf.......no its not.

i already have a labtop lying around.

sorry but what else would you need with hondata s300 kit besides to chip an ecu?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by big-cat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait doesnt honda s300 basically have everything that you just named</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it doesn't. Your best bet is to do a bit of reading and research about Hondata before making your decision. Check out the website first: http://hondata.com

And yes, Crome <u>is</u> absolutely free. It's the ancillary hardware that adds cost to the setup.

 

the basic crome program is free to download. crome pro is $150 and allows datalogging and other things.

 

i suggest you and a couple friends chip in to buy crome pro well worth it if your serious about tuning

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the basic crome program is free to download. crome pro is $150 and allows datalogging and other things. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct, although Uberdata is another free option that has datalogging cabability.

All of these are, in my opinion, very good alternatives to the more costly Hondata.

 

i know i always thought that crome/uberdata depleted all of that unessary stuff that you need though like the usb to ecu cable, the wideband, and some other stuff.

i highly doubt that me and my buddys could learn how to tune at all(im 17 and reading a couple hours of pgmfi.org apeared like rocket scientist work although they said its not).

 

You could always go with a Neptune RTP kit. It has the functionality of the S300 and is totally solid, unlike Crome can be for alot of newb users. It is also $145 cheaper than the S300. You can't beat the customer service either. http://www.hrtuning.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by big-cat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait doesnt honda s300 basically have everything that you just named except its 595 which is like 100 cheaper all i would need to do or have someone else do is chip my ecu and i can plug and play and learn how to work hondata? i prob just got owned because i havent researched hondata yet. its just everybody says crome is free and im like wtf.......no its not.

i already have a labtop lying around.

sorry but what else would you need with hondata s300 kit besides to chip an ecu?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you want to pay someone 100.00 an hour to tune your car (that is a lowball number also)

Hondata for 595.00. Still need a chips, chip burner. Oh yeah and a 300.00 wideband. So your at 1000.00 already.
Nahh. I will stay with crome pro. I'll support the people that did this **** on their own.

Big business (except K-pro which I would buy that if I had a K under my hood)

 

why would you need chips and chip burner with hondata? unless you are talking about potato chips!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...93640

less then $700 shipped for s300 with wide band

 

Those who think that you still need burners, chips and emulators for the s300 have not done any research.

With the s300 there s nothing else needed unless you wish to get a wideband, but that is the same cost no matter what system you use. The s300 has a retail price of $595 and it comes with all the items needed to socket the ecu, software and a USB cable. No additioanal hardware is needed to program. You do not need a programmer or emulator. Everything is realtime programable while the engine is running. You can upload an entire calibration with the car running.

 

ok im kinda confused. i dont know very much about tuning but here it goes.

when i had my car tuned, i paid a flat charge of 250 dollars for my tuner to chip, burn, socket, soder, street tune for part throttle, and dyno tune for full throttle, and all the dyno time using CROME. when he was tuning it, i asked him if this program (crome) offered datalogging and he said yes. then he showed me what datalogging was, etc. So i know he was using it to tune my car, but im pretty sure he said this was free crome program.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the basic crome program is free to download. crome pro is $150 and allows datalogging and other things. </TD></TR></TABLE>

from what i just read, the free version of crome doesnt offer datalogging. so whats the deal? do i have crome pro?

sorry if this is a dumb question but i really dont know that much about tuning or crome.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94delslo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> so whats the deal? do i have crome pro?

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If you don't have the crome program on a PC that you own, then you don't have crome at all. The chip was made using crome, but does not contain any crome software or hardware. You will need to download crome from pgmfi.org to get the software, then pay $150 for pro if you want to enable datalogging.

 

i was wondering the same thing. im tuned with chrome but was wondering the pros and cons about it. is there really that much of a difference between the two?

 

crome= free a 25 dollar kit, 20 dollar data logging cable, thats it, you dont need crome pro, you cannot count a wideband 02 sensor in the cost of crome becuase a wideband is not included for free in hondata's kit

 

so how come people pick hondata over chrome?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you don't have the crome program on a PC that you own, then you don't have crome at all. The chip was made using crome, but does not contain any crome software or hardware. You will need to download crome from pgmfi.org to get the software, then pay $150 for pro if you want to enable datalogging.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok thanks for clearing that up for me

 

Curious,

Does Chrome PRO allow real time uploading through a USB cable like Hondata S300 or Neptune RTR, or do you need to burn chips each time?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goldegg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Curious,

Does Chrome PRO allow real time uploading through a USB cable like Hondata S300 or Neptune RTR, or do you need to burn chips each time?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, you can also do this with the free version of Crome or Uberdata. You just need a "ROMulator" device.

 

wow this is one of the worste threads ive sean in a long time. the crome guys are saying you have not done your research. and the hondata guys are saying you have not done your research. just sounds like everyone is reppin for what they got.

I have the S300 in my car. (i went with hondata cause they have been around since day one as far as tuning in the us with hondas. crome i havent done my research to know when chrome was started. but that is cause i didnt want to do my research.) it is awsome. it comes in a box and you can install it yourself. or send it to hondata and they charge 70$ install. wich if the chip or ecu is jeperdized with installation then hondata will replace it for free. I they stand behind this i know it happened to me. I dont know it that can be done with crome. second it has almost all the capabilities of aem ems. yes is does not come with a wide band, but that is becuase it is better to tune on a dyno then on a street.

With both hondata and crome you need to have it tuned after install wich is about 200$ phr.

just my 2 pennies