I know I really like them, I've seen them and they're good quality, these are the reasons I like them ESPECIALLY the new Attack (Volk Gram Racing) copy

1) Rims get stolen easily (especially expensive ones)
2) Rims get curbed and scratched easily
3) Rota is good quality
4) Rota is almost as light weight as the expensive competitors

P.S. I have been looking for Mugen 16x7 in bronze, but now I think im just gonna wait until the Rota Attacks come out in 5 lug 16x7 in bronze of course

 

Eventually, I'm planning on getting the Slipstreams, light, cheap, decent looking, what else is there?

 

rota is dumb for not comming up with their own design, but they build other ppl's rims soo well.

 

R&D is expensive. If Rota did make their own designs, they would cost more.

 

exactly!! Rota makes good quality affordable rims for kids who like the designs of the more expensive rims but don't have or want to blow thousands of dollars to have rims stolen or marked up anyways

 

Strong, light, cheap. Wheels are never all three. Pick the two that make you happy.

I personally don't like Rota nor will I support their ripoff designs. If rota ever came out with a decent looking wheel design of their own, I might buy it. Until then, no thanks.

There are other options in the somewhat inexpensive wheel market that are their own design.

 

I have the ss. i like them.

 

the only people that I have seen that hate on rota rims are the people who have the wheels that rota copied. I dont have anything against real mugens or spoonw. They are better in most ways...strength, finish and weight.

But a lot of people with those rims dont even autox, much less road race so this big benefit of "forged strength" and "lighter weight" they say makes them faster, makes them faster where? racing down the 405?

Now take the rotas, they are slightly heavier, slightly less strong, slightly uglier for lack of a better term, and 75% cheaper.

Some people that bought spoon or mugen rims bought for the name and the look. but paid about 2000 (16s) for them. A set of these rims are about 5lbs lighter for a full set of rotas.

Rotas are under 500 a set, you get the same look, but weight 5lbs more (then the real deal)

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the rotas are a better deal, cost wise, and performance wise. You can spend that other 1500 bux on upgrades that will actually make a 1500 dollar difference.




[Modified by tonyxcom, 3:18 AM 5/26/2002]

 

I always think it's funny when the $2k wheel people get all pissy about knockoff wheels. Guess they weren't going for the lightweight or the built quality but the prestige...

 

Yeah, like they had something to do with the R&D of the wheels and feel they were ripped off.

 

The problem that I have with Rota is that they make it sound like they R&D-ed all their wheels. Have you seen the ads on Grassroot Motorsports (and even review in the mag)? They play it off as it's their genuine idea. WTF? At least give the credit to the people they copied... to me, that is just wrong. Sort of like cheating to make a quick buck, ya know? It's all about the principles... And, no, I don't own either the Rotas or Spoons or Mugens or whatever.

 

all this talk about R&D and the lack there of... you guys are crazy. i am sure rota has lots of r&d done, unless they buy the rim and re badge it. you cant just go off take a design and cast it. you have to build a mold and everything. and since the rims arent exactly the saem they still have to do some r&d. its kinda sad you guys dont realize this. the reason rota's are so cheap is cuz
1. they use cheapier material
2. they dont mark up like mad
3. they make less profit but sell tons more

 

Before this thread explodes, I'll make my point then go away.

I'm sure the "Steeplechase" shirts are almost as good of quality and much cheaper than a real Ralph Lauren Polo shirt, but that still doesn't make them better to own IMO. If you like wearing knockoffs, then shop at K-Mart. Or, you could go to J-Crew and buy one of their shirts and have a cheaper shirt than is a unique design of decent quality. That's just the way I look at it. I don't own Mugen MF8's. However, I still wouldn't buy the Rota knockoff of it.

Now, for those of us who bought the more expensive wheels because we wanted the quality and lightweight, remember that a few hundredths of a second could mean a first place finish or a fourth place finish. Think about it--it has nothing to do with prestige for some of us.

Yes, the rotas are cheaper. That is their *only* advantage. Period. I'm not hating on them, I'm just stating the truth how I see it.

 

hey i shop at k mart. does that make me a cheap *** because i can get functional clothes at a great price. don't be soooooo materialistic. people are going to get what they want. i would get some slips in a minute if i didn't like my stock wheels soooo much.

 

No, Kmart is cool. Maybe I should change that to Big Lots?

I haven't been clothes shopping since shopping on the internet was invented (J crew rules ). Who sells those fake Hilfiger and Polo shirts now?

I had a friend who use to wear those damn things in middle school and he wondered why he got made fun of. I told him to just buy the ones without the logos because the logo meant little, and having a fake logo was even worse.

 

(Dude, I'm totally with you. Below is what I rambled on in the another thread in the appearance forum.

Basically, what it comes down to is if I had a BMW, I'd roll on AC Schitzners, if I had a Mercedes it would chill on Brabus wheels.)

Knock wheels have been around for ages. Almost every single wheel out there has some kind of knockoff. I don't get why people take it so personal when someone else doesn't like them. After all, this is a discussion forum and we're all entitled to express our opinions.
I don't like Rotas. I'd rather have the real thing. Yes, sure the real thing is more expensive, but that's why better things come to those who wait. I bought my GSR and waited 2 years until I could afford some nice wheels. I rolled around on my stock wheels and I wanted something better than factory. After changing my mind several times, I finally deceided on my 16" Spoons. I wanted a really nice wheel and wanted something that was BETTER than the factory issued ones. They're forged, light and look bad *** and they are a Honda Tuner product. Also, if I was ever strapped for cash, I can sell them for decent money.

Rotas are nice wheels, but it's just chessy how they can't come out with their own unique designs. I really think that a lot of people buy shitstreams because they look like the real thing. To a trained eye, or someone who has seen a pair real life, you can immediately tell the difference. It doesn't bother me that the I could've got 4 sets of knockoffs for the price of one set of the real thing. Wheels make or break the car.

Rotas are dirt cheap, light and you can curb one and not give a ****. I'd rather see a car on a set of knockoffs than a set of 18" heavy *** riceboy wheels. But they are fake and usually people buy fakes because the real thing is exclusive and harder to obtain. Like clothing, art, watches, etc....

Even though Rotas are functional, there are always people who will knock them and maybe even call you a "JDM" riceboy because you have wannabe wheels. If you don't care about what people think, get the Rotas. If you care about what others think or you really love your car and want nothing but the best, get the genuine product.

I don't like Wings West for the same reason.... they copy everyone elses design.

I understand where your coming from and I'm not trying to hate. This is my perspective and I hope you got something out of it.




[Modified by dc24me, 1:08 AM 5/26/2002]

 

VERY WELL said Todd00 and dc24me.

For cheap and nice quality wheels, there are Enkei RP01 and Kosei K1 Racing/Buddy Club P1 Racing. My 15x7 +45mm offset's K1 are approx. 13lbs each without tires. With 195/55R15 Toyo T1-S mounted and balanced they're like 15lbs each. Man I am running something cheap, but it's geniune w/ great quality, PLUS I use that to auto-x.

I also know quite a lot of ppl who got K1/SPOON SW388 and most of there do use them on both daily driven/road race purpose. Yup if u are not looking for that kind of "SPOON" look or whatever, why'd u get slipstreams? Damn they're not even SPOOM, they're ROTA which are made in Philippines. Geez.....

For the Volk Racing Gram Lights replica...argh I really don't know what I can say about it. But u have the right on getting what u're comfortable with anyway.

Jeff: Umm cut down half of your post coz I think u copied & pasted two times?

 

Duh. My bad. I'm kinda shitfaced right now. (4:20)

 

if you have seen a SS next to a spoon, it's not like they threw the spoon in some sand and made a mold, it is a different rim and they did have to R&D to get the cast rime to be as strong as it is. SO they ripped off spoon, BFD. It's not like I owe spoon anything, not like they have not been ripping us off (spoon ITR pistons?) It's your money, if you want to spend $2000 on rims, cool. I would rather spend my money on beer, cigarettes, and DVD ****.

 

"Now, for those of us who bought the more expensive wheels because we wanted the quality and lightweight, remember that a few hundredths of a second could mean a first place finish or a fourth place finish. Think about it--it has nothing to do with prestige for some of us."

Well you are one of the FEW people who have these rims and use them in COMPETITION of some sort. I'm not talking about HPDE, but a timed competition of some sort.

And Rotas advantage isnt just price. It's weight. Show me a lighter wheel for the price of a rota

 

As I remember the 15" SS looks different and 16" looks 98% the same. Umm if u believe that they did quite some R&D it's all good man! Everyone got their own preference anyway.

My point is if I can't afford Mugen/SPOON/SSR/Volk Racing, I WILL go for Kosei K1. And that's what I bought. I've never regret on getting these wheels.

I think lots of road racer and auto-xers love these rims too. Ask what they think about it. They're just about 800cad for a set of 15" now. But the time I bought it, it was 230cad per wheel...so u guys are very lucky nowadays IMHO.

 

IMO rota's are one of the best wheels out there , money wise .

 

But you're comparing 1500-2000 wheels to there respective knock offs. What about when you compare the Rotas to stock wheels that may weigh 4-5 or more lbs per wheel? Not so bad for 400 vs. 1600.

 

I do trust stock wheels' strength.

 

Will the Rota Attack wheels that are going to be offered next month be available in a 15 inch size 5 lug pattern? Anyone know for sure? Thanks

Mike