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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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Default Skunk2 vs RM vs Crower vs JUN Camshaft

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i am new in this forum and i am surching for a new camshaft kit for my car (H22A engine)
at this time i have the JUN Stage 2R Kit in my engine and it works really great, but i would like to have a little more power and torque
my actual power is 268PS and 259,1NM-> i dont know how many whb that are
i drive on the circuit and so i need cams and valvetrain for a long range route car, so it have to be VERY VERY perservering!!
i would not more rpm than 8500 and the crossover point should be at circa 5500 rpm
which one is the best for me?
Skunk2 PRO2
Crower3
RM M24X or M25

here is my engie setup:
Haltech E6X ECU - standalone
JUN Stage 2R Camshaft KIT (cam, retainer, springs, sprockets))
ported and polished BB1 head
Ferrea Valves -> IN 36mm oversice, EX stock
GoldenEagle sleeved block 89mm bore
GoldenEagle 89mm Headgasket
ARP Head bolts
JE custom Pistons 12,2:1-12,5:1 compression (cubic 2257ccm)
Eagle rods
crankshaft balanced und balance shaft removed
JUN Flywheel
Exedy cerametalic clutch kit
GruppeM Intake
Skunk2 Intake Manifoldi with 40mm reduced runner
Skunk2 68mm throttle body
RC 440 fuel injectors
Walbro 255 fuel pump
AEM pressure regulator
AEM underdrive pulleys
special single-ignition system
Hytech longtube custom header 2,5”
Buddy Club Spec III exhaust 65mm
Moroso Oil Pan
Mocal oil radiator



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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 08:55 AM
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Use Hondata S300 instead of Haltech.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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well i can tell you one thing. i dont think you are going to hear a single person tell you to swap your juns for something else. you already have a sick setup.

you are putting down 264whp and 192ft-lbs thats pretty insane to tell you the truth. thats up there with the highest hp from an H22 ive ever heard.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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if you have the money to test then i would try the m24x(even tho i havent seen a dyno yet). if you put a 95mm crank in their then i would try the m25.

but even with your setup maybe just a crank swap would gain you a dramatic bump in hp and torque..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i can tell you one thing. i dont think you are going to hear a single person tell you to swap your juns for something else. you already have a sick setup.

you are putting down 264whp and 192ft-lbs thats pretty insane to tell you the truth. thats up there with the highest hp from an H22 ive ever heard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

he is right, your setup is alread tight
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:55 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master of the Universe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use Hondata S300 instead of Haltech.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess its easier to indiv. coil setup with the haltech
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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thanks for your posts and help!!!!!!

my engine builder works more than 10 years with haltech and i am very happy with that
i drive an european Accord Type R and it will not fit with a hondata

this result was with my old setup from last year:
88mm bore, stock Euro R IM, AEM V2, Hytech short tube header, stock valve sice
but the engine have damaged and i dated it up with some new parts
so i would also change the cams for testing

if i go to a cam with more lift than the JUN (12,2mm), i must also change the valvetrain; i dont know how much lift the JUN valvetrain can make?

my favorites are:
Skunk2 PRO2
RM M25 intake and M24X exhaust cam if it´s possible to mix it

have anyone facts from the RM degrees @1mm?
can i drive it with oversice intake valve (36mm)?

thanks a lot for your help!!
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hingi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RM M25 intake and M24X exhaust cam if it´s possible to mix it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your going in the right direction

Intake and exhaust cams can be ordered seperately.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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i would like to know the out come of your setup
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master of the Universe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use Hondata S300 instead of Haltech.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and you have experince with haltech to know that?
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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U can run Hondata/Crome on a P28 or P30 with a OBD2&gt;OBD1 wiring harness.
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Old Mar 26, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are putting down 264whp and 192ft-lbs thats pretty insane to tell you the truth. thats up there with the highest hp from an H22 ive ever heard.
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that is not correct
this power is the power @ the engine; in europe we acquire the engine power
in whb that are: 229whb and 168ft-lbs


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Old Mar 26, 2007 | 10:33 AM
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still respectable numbers.

are you running race fuel?
its also a good investment to get a high flow oil pump
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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i have one more questsion:
can i drive the RM M25 intake and M24X exhaust cams drive with the JUN Stage2R valvetrain???
how many rpm are the maximum of this valvetrain???
i can not find any facts about it

or is it better to change against RM valvetrain?

my engine run always with european 100 octane (Schell V Power or OMV 100)

about the oil pump:
i have the H22A7 engine; that have a little better oil pump; its nearly the same as the circuit worx one
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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you might be better off selling the old hardware and upgrading to rocket stuff.
the m25x is a big cam

what is your current compression?
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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my compression is about 12,0-12,5:1

the JUN lift is 12,2mm in and 11,9mm ex
the RM lift is 12,1mm in and ex, but more degrees
i dont know the degrees about 1mm-&gt; but thats very interesting for me

have the RM valvetrain anybody brocken?

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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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i forget the m25 has less lift then the h24x go figure
i havent heard any stories about them.
if the jun spring/retainers is rated for higher lift then you should be good

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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Try an electronic cutout system.
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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european 100 octane RON is same as US 94 PON octane.
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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run a hondata over a haltech. Best one ive heard in a long time.

looks like his numbers are a hell of alot better than any hondata tuned h22 ive seen....and alot of others, from the looks of it.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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my engine run with a special ignition system
it is only possible with a Haltech ECU



i had everytimes probs with the stock ignition distributor on the circuit
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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have anyone good connections to RM?
i need the camshafts really quick
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hingi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have anyone good connections to RM?
i need the camshafts really quick</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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thanks a lot
do you have a email address for me please?!?
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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can you get PM's?
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