alright whos got em and how much? oh sh##. wow!

 

what trans does J.Sachette have in his K-crx ?

 

gearspeed!

 

I thought they where always allowed just with a big weight penalty, Braunings car has one if they ever run the car.

 

something in the revisions i saw today said Page 42 (eff 03/16/07)
Transmission, Manual: Remove “Sequential transmission prohibited” from second sentence of first paragraph

 

Hmm, i thought they were allowed with like a 150lb weight penalty at one point? It was a few years back when i looked at the rules for that though, may have changed, then changed back recently.

 

anymore info guys! even if i had to spend 10k on this tranny it would be better than spending 5 k and breaking the **** all the time!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A train &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anymore info guys! even if i had to spend 10k on this tranny it would be better than spending 5 k and breaking the **** all the time!</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-50.asp

Contact Luis at PARADISERACING.COM if you are interested in getting 1.

 

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http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-50.asp

Contact Luis at PARADISERACING.COM if you are interested in getting 1.</TD></TR></TABLE>

from what i understand, bothwell had problems with that box....

can anyone elaborate ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

from what i understand, bothwell had problems with that box....

can anyone elaborate ?</TD></TR></TABLE> it wasnt bothwell is was rooman that kept hurting the case. 2 magnesium, 1 billet aluminum,1 steel case all broken. if you can break a steel case, the tranny aint the problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A train &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anymore info guys! even if i had to spend 10k on this tranny it would be better than spending 5 k and breaking the **** all the time!</TD></TR></TABLE>
good luck finding 1 for 10k.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by matz03 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought they where always allowed just with a big weight penalty, Braunings car has one if they ever run the car.</TD></TR></TABLE> yea brauning has one in the rsx, its pretty sick. mark let me drive it on the dyno it was badass

 

i think i just figured it out! julie stephan new all motor car with chevy backing. Hmm can you say xtrac! in all mota! oh ****!

 

Its much too soon for this. The class will be dominated by those who have the $20K transmissions, 1 or 2 cars at best. Youll see the class dwindle as most who are planning on competing in these classes wont have the available funds to run such parts. I hope it doesnt turn out that way, but I dont see it going down any other way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A train &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think i just figured it out! julie stephan new all motor car with chevy backing. Hmm can you say xtrac! in all mota! oh ****!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I talked to them back at PRI and the cost for an Xtrac starts around 17k!

Like Tony said I remember that they did allow it but you did get a penalty for using it but the cost was too extreme for most All Motor people.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its much too soon for this. The class will be dominated by those who have the $20K transmissions, 1 or 2 cars at best. Youll see the class dwindle as most who are planning on competing in these classes wont have the available funds to run such parts. I hope it doesnt turn out that way, but I dont see it going down any other way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the tranny wont make or break an all motor car. if they allow slippers with the trannies then there might be some benefits. its definetly not as big of a deal as hot rod.

 

I thought they had always been allowed just with a weight penalty.

 

As far as I know there is a 150 pound weight penalty for an aftermarket tranny. If the weight penalty were removed we would use one in the All Motor scion tC.
It would benefit the class if it were removed. Teams spend more on replacing aftermarket gears than it costs for an aftermarket tranny. It will cost the teams less money in the long run. You only need one aftermarket instead of 5 to 10 factory trannies.

By the way the gm all motor car will have an automatic in it.


Modified by SFWD tC at 11:48 AM 3/23/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SFWD tC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as I know there is a 150 pound weight penalty for an aftermarket tranny. If the weight penalty were removed we would use one in the All Motor scion tC.
It would benefit the class if it were removed. Teams spend more on replacing aftermarket gears than it costs for an aftermarket tranny. It will cost the teams less money in the long run. You only need one aftermarket instead of 5 to 10 factory trannies.

By the way the gm all motor car will have an automatic in it.


Modified by SFWD tC at 11:48 AM 3/23/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

All that will do is drive the cost of the class up more in my opinion. If there was a readily available $8K-10K aftermarket trans I might agree with it, but you have to spend $20+ to get a trans in the car. Maybe a couple big teams could afford it, but it would kill new entries into the class which are needed badly right now.

 

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All that will do is drive the cost of the class up more in my opinion. If there was a readily available $8K-10K aftermarket trans I might agree with it, but you have to spend $20+ to get a trans in the car. Maybe a couple big teams could afford it, but it would kill new entries into the class which are needed badly right now.

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Ok I will put this in mathematical terms for you.

For example :

Liberty style gears or similar setup: 5-8K a set (your closest thing to a 10k aftermarket tranny)

Aftermarket tranny: 25K for one

I would rather buy one aftermarket tranny @ 25 K then buy 7 to 10 Liberty style gearsets....

9 gear sets X 5K each = 45K plus the hassle of having to constantly change your tranny & stay up till 1am on saturday (to be ready for finals) & sunday night (to be ready for the next race.

The plain and simple reality is we are damaging the trannies that quickly now. Every single one of the teams that is in the top 5. It honestly isn't any advantage to us to run the aftermarket box except less maintainance. Like Jason said if I thought I could take the weight penalty and stil be competitive I would do it in a heartbeat.

Entry level teams can still run Liberty Style gears and be very competitive
and when they gain backing afford the aftermarket tranny as well.

Why do you think the Bergenholtz team switched to a aftermarket box in their all motor car ??? I garuntee its not for the ET benefit.

 

what aftermarket tranny costs $25K? An Xtrac will cost around $40K once you get it fully installed, unless you can get one for a close out special deal. Also, Xtrac isn't even making the box anymore so they are becoming much harder to get. The Liberty transmission is $6800 for a complete setup and even less depending on what options you want to go with. Eggum Racing has gotten the Liberty to hold up and they only take two to each race and often leave with two good transmissions for the next race and they are putting a lot more strain on a trans then an all motor car.

I have a personal interest in where all motor goes for the future (everyone will know why very soon) and I am not sure doing aftermarket transmissions are really the answer to the class. It is going to drive up the cost, drive out smaller teams, and turn it into another Hot Rod class with a lack of teams actually able to race. But I also understand damaging transmissions race after race and how expensive that can be. I just don't want all motor to turn into Hot Rod where it is only a few teams that have and a lot of teams that have not and those have nots don't race anymore. We need to focus on getting more teams involved, not chasing them out. Maybe the real answer is, if your transmission fails then you need to go slower so that it doesn't break...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CDR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Maybe the real answer is, if your transmission fails then you need to go slower so that it doesn't break...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You gotta pay to play. You dont see Powerade TF and Funny Car teams bitching that they have to rebuild engines each run. Its racing, things break. Just because it costs 25K doesnt mean its not going to break either. Whats next, teams are bringing spare 25K transmissions? LOL. This is a never ending argumen.

 

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You gotta pay to play. You dont see Powerade TF and Funny Car teams bitching that they have to rebuild engines each run. Its racing, things break. Just because it costs 25K doesnt mean its not going to break either. Whats next, teams are bringing spare 25K transmissions? LOL. This is a never ending argumen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree and that was my point to saying it. No one is really ever going to go slower, they are just going to find a way to go faster. There should also be a bit of a responsibility of a new series to keep costs under control to make sure that as many people can race as possible.

 

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You gotta pay to play. You dont see Powerade TF and Funny Car teams bitching that they have to rebuild engines each run. Its racing, things break. Just because it costs 25K doesnt mean its not going to break either. Whats next, teams are bringing spare 25K transmissions? LOL. This is a never ending argumen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

We DO pay to play...thats why we ARE up every Saturday and Sunday.
I wasn't bitching just stating the facts ...

 

Leslie,

while we are all for going fast and trying not to spend more money into this. There is also a responsibility as racers and sanctioning bodies to make room for growth for new racers to enter the scene.

At this time, there are only a selected few who have tremendous help that are racing in alot of these drag racing series. What happened to 5-6 yrs ago. Remember those days, when everyone was building cars to compete. I know we dont want to scare away you guys making a living off racing, but at the same time your level of race cars scared away many racers like yourselves who brought SC drag racing to what it is today.

Limitations are there to prevent these things from happening and if it means broken parts, then thats the way it has to be. Its part of racing.

P.S. nothing against you ok. we're still friends right? hehe.