alrighty! now keep in mind i want to keep this a really mild, low budget, street-able build.

i still have a basically stock H23 with the usual I/H/E. im not really shooting for a HP goal, just whatever my setup gives me.
i should add that last year my setup yeilded me 130whp and 140 wtq on a dynojet, with just I/H/E

H23
I/H/E

New Mods:
Crower stage 1 cams (allows for stock valvetrain)
NOS 50 shot (wet)
And i might Mill the head to bump up compression.

well i'll probably need a piggyback, or FMU to account for the extra fuel needed....

now for some questions?!

should i get some cam gears to add some tune-ability to cam timing?
Can i still pass SMOG with stage 1 cams?
is there anything else i should add/change to my setup??
how much should i mill the head w/o sacrificing too much clearance, .030?, .025?


Modified by 95greenlude at 6:26 PM 3/17/2007

 

if your adding cams get Hondata or similar stand-alone tuning solution

FMU won't do crap unless your going into boost

yes get the cam gears.

you can pass somg if you detune the car to pass smog

what about a nice TB and euro-R manifold?

 

You have to pass SMOG in Nevada?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DCxMagus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if your adding cams get Hondata or similar stand-alone tuning solution
nope...not gonna do it. too much money.

FMU won't do crap unless your going into boost
i'll most likley get a SAFC
yes get the cam gears.

you can pass somg if you detune the car to pass smog

what about a nice TB and euro-R manifold?
setup is for a H23.
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yes sir

 

P.s. milling the head .030 would yeild about 10.5:1 CR.

p.s.s. it was either this, or finding/fabbing a DSM turbo setup

 

Why no H22?

 

cause i dont want to....i cant save up $1500 and spend it all in 1 shot...not to mention i dont have the time nor tools to do it correctly, so i'd have to pay someone for an install. which is also not worth my time or money. also everything listed, i can do in my garage.

an H23 is fine for me, i jsut want to bump up the output a little more, to make it more fun.

 

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should i get some cam gears to add some tune-ability to cam timing?
Can i still pass SMOG with stage 1 cams?
is there anything else i should add/change to my setup??
how much should i mill the head w/o sacrificing too much clearance, .030?, .025?
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Get the cam gears just in case. Plus if you mill the head you may need to use them

If you can't pass smog you can always get that little magic bottle at the auto parts store.

I'd get Hondata if you can, after all, tuning is everything.

Don't know about your last question...

 

^i would get Hondata or something, but as of right now, its not really fitting in the whole "budget" part of it all. though sometime in the future, thats defiantly an option

 

well i just calculated that the piston to deck height would be sticking only .032 out of the hole...is that a lot?? lol

 

yeah thats quite abit out the hole,, your either going to have the turn the piston down or get another piston with the correct c/h.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95greenlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cause i dont want to....i cant save up $1500 and spend it all in 1 shot...not to mention i dont have the time nor tools to do it correctly, so i'd have to pay someone for an install. which is also not worth my time or money. also everything listed, i can do in my garage.

an H23 is fine for me, i jsut want to bump up the output a little more, to make it more fun.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Understandable. I debated just putting cams, greddy w/a collector mod, 3" exhaust, and a v-stack on my H23. I tossed that idea outa the window after i looked @ the pile of H22 'ish sitting in my basement, lol. If you cant fit hondata into ur budget how are u gonna tune it now? Why not just wait until you have everything then slap it together @ once so you wont have to worry about probs?

 

i actually like installing stuff one at a time on my car that way if problems do appear i'll know what I changed. however if you were to tear down to sleeve your motor theres no point in tearing it down again to put pistons and new rods in later, so in that case do it all at once. kinda depends. keep in mind milling the head is permanent. arent there other options for bumping compression on an h23?

this is kind of what im interested in doin, making my h22 more fun to drive. not neccessarily setting a hp goal and making it.

 

h23vtec

 

My setup's basically the same as yours. Thanks to my adjustable gears, I picked up 15 whp from my stage 1 cams. Results on a Mustang dyno, btw

 

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Understandable. I debated just putting cams, greddy w/a collector mod, 3" exhaust, and a v-stack on my H23. I tossed that idea outa the window after i looked @ the pile of H22 'ish sitting in my basement, lol. If you cant fit hondata into ur budget how are u gonna tune it now? Why not just wait until you have everything then slap it together @ once so you wont have to worry about probs?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll use a SAFC.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by plikit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i actually like installing stuff one at a time on my car that way if problems do appear i'll know what I changed. however if you were to tear down to sleeve your motor theres no point in tearing it down again to put pistons and new rods in later, so in that case do it all at once. kinda depends. keep in mind milling the head is permanent. arent there other options for bumping compression on an h23?

this is kind of what im interested in doin, making my h22 more fun to drive. not neccessarily setting a hp goal and making it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i know milling the head is permanent, thats why i have an extra head.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rawNAprelude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h23vtec </TD></TR></TABLE> i debated, and its still kinda lingering in my head.

 

If you're worried about your budget, go with chrome for tuning. If you're going to be milling the head and getting cams, you REALLY need to tune. It will also help you make the most of your mods.

 

Thought about a set of Type S cams? Also, go with crome for tuning.

 

It is my experience that stock cams still do pretty well if you jack up the compression, the Crower 1s would do better. Mill it .030" and toss in some flat faced valves to get 11:1 CR. and 165whp should not be too hard. Ditch all the accessories and you'll get a couple more.

Just retard the timing and make sure that the A/F is in good order before beating on it.

Crome is free and just about the same as Hondata in terms of tuneability.

Make sure that the exhaust is free flowing. If you have the stock cat replace it with a larger one.

Tuning is key. Cam gears will help.

Pirate

 

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H23....

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is my experience that stock cams still do pretty well if you jack up the compression, the Crower 1s would do better. Mill it .030" and toss in some flat faced valves to get 11:1 CR. and 165whp should not be too hard. Ditch all the accessories and you'll get a couple more.

im going to keep all the accessories, i live in vegas....no ac=killing myself. 11:1 CR seems pretty nice. and i'll be doing it all on 91 octane also.
Just retard the timing and make sure that the A/F is in good order before beating on it.

Crome is free and just about the same as Hondata in terms of tuneability.
never thought about crome...i'll do some research

Make sure that the exhaust is free flowing. If you have the stock cat replace it with a larger one.
stock cat has been ditched already, and my WS isnt free flowing. we'll see
Tuning is key. Cam gears will help.

Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks

 

i might source down an evo mainifold/turbo, and fab up a setup....
im really torn

 

"never thought about crome...i'll do some research "

We now have high hopes for you.... you just spoke some of the magic HT words there my friend..... you should do well here

 

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We now have high hopes for you.... you just spoke some of the magic HT words there my friend..... you should do well here</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha coming from the n00b

 

No turbo, quit tryin to cheat

...(in Napoleon Dynamite voice) Yessssssssssssss 800 posts

 

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...(in Napoleon Dynamite voice) Yessssssssssssss 800 posts</TD></TR></TABLE>

turbo isnt cheating....its more efficient

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