Texas Motorplex
3-24-07

--Street Car Index Class--
11.50 Sec / 12.50 Sec / 13.50 Sec / 14.50 Sec
Heads Up / .400 Pro Tree / Closest to the Index without going under goes on to next round.
$200 to the Winner / $100 to the Runner Up.

--Fastest Street Car in Texas Shakedown Class--
Heads Up / .400 Pro Tree / One Shot Winner take all format / Must be able to Cruise.
$3000 to the Fastest Street Car in Texas / $1000 to the Second Fastest Street Car in Texas

--RULES FOR ALL CLASSES--
Texas Tagged, Inspected and Insured (Bring Proof) / Slicks and Open Exhaust are Allowed / ALL NHRA Rules Apply

Spring Event Schedule
Cruise for Shakedown Class: 5:00pm
Fastest Street Car Shakedown: 7:00pm
Index Eliminations: 4:00pm
Time Trials: 2:00pm
Gates Open: 12:00pm

--Admisson Prices:For Information--
Time Trails entry included with Spectator AdmissionSpectator $10.00
Street Car Index $20.00 per class
Fastest Street Car in Texas $40.00
For More info Call: (972) 878-2641 or visit: http://www.texasmotorplex.com

 

Are there going to be any 6 second "street" cars like last time?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are there going to be any 6 second "street" cars like last time?</TD></TR></TABLE>

please elaborate. this reeks of bullshit.

EDIT: i just reread my post. i am referring to the rules and those who bent them, not your post tony

 

This is where fwd's get the shaft

 

There was some old camaro there last time that was built to run 1/8th mile so he wasn't geared to run the 1/4. He let out around the 1000' or so and still ran a 6.90 something. There were a lot of pissed off real street cars that night.

 

that car was not a street car nor a classic antique considering it had a KB big block blown and on alcohol with slicks.

 

That was bullshit last year. If the rules don't change I won't be back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There was some old camaro there last time that was built to run 1/8th mile so he wasn't geared to run the 1/4. He let out around the 1000' or so and still ran a 6.90 something. There were a lot of pissed off real street cars that night.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what the fvck? it was a real car? with a real chassis? i would imagine his car can run 6.7's or so had he not let off. how much goddamn power did that thing have. 2500?

there is no way that should even be considered at all.

 

I think the ultimate and absolute cut-off for a street car is when ANY significant part of the cars unibody or original frame are heavily altered, replaced, or removed.

There are lots of things that disqualify a car before this, but this is where it absolutely ends in my opinion.

 

You mean like when an old camaro has 17" wide tires? lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There was some old camaro there last time that was built to run 1/8th mile so he wasn't geared to run the 1/4. He let out around the 1000' or so and still ran a 6.90 something. There were a lot of pissed off real street cars that night.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did he meet all the requirements for the race as listed above?

If so, I don't see any problem here.

 

I forget exactly what it was, but the "loop hole" had something to do with it being real old and not needing an inspection or something like that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMS Eric #2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the ultimate and absolute cut-off for a street car is when ANY significant part of the cars unibody or original frame are heavily altered, replaced, or removed.

There are lots of things that disqualify a car before this, but this is where it absolutely ends in my opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My Mustang is a 25.5 backhalf car. That is, stock front frame rails and front suspension mounting points, with a tube chassis 4-link setup in the rear. My car is tagged, insured, and I usually take it out atleast twice a week to drive. It's a lot more of a street car than most SFWD cars I've seen running, and I'm running times over a second quicker than even the fastest cars. But my car isn't a street car because it's backhalved?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My Mustang is a 25.5 backhalf car. That is, stock front frame rails and front suspension mounting points, with a tube chassis 4-link setup in the rear. My car is tagged, insured, and I usually take it out atleast twice a week to drive. It's a lot more of a street car than most SFWD cars I've seen running, and I'm running times over a second quicker than even the fastest cars. But my car isn't a street car because it's backhalved?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes. come on man, dont you see how that is an unfair advantage?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes. come on man, dont you see how that is an unfair advantage? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, not really. It was backhalved for a safety issue, I went from running a 4-link with stock framerails to a 4-link with a tube chassis back half. Didn't change much of the suspension geometry, just went to a tube chassis to make the car stiffer so it would sway less on the top end. 60's didn't change, but I picked up a little bit on the top end. I run either a tiny 275/60/15 drag radial or a 28x10.5 (non W) slick, so I didn't go back half to stick a giant tire under there, those are tire sizes that you can fit under a stock fox body, or maybe with minitubs to make sure it doesn't rub.

Even if backhalfing gives my car some advantage over other cars, all I have to say is tough **** and do whatever it takes to make your car faster. Is running turbos an unfair advantage too? Should I pull off the turbo kit and run naturally aspirated? Is RWD an unfair advantage to anyone there running FWD? Maybe I should convert the car over with a transaxle? My point is my car is a STREET CAR. I still have carpeted interior with sound deadening, an air/air intercooler, a mild-ish camshaft in it, comfy seats, fuel pumps that arn't horribly loud, a stereo, power windows/locks, as well as power steering! It's a lot more of a street car than a lot of tin can **** you see on here, people gutting their EG's to 1800 pounds just so they can bust into the 12's with their naturally aspirated stock bore GSR.

 

See the amendment to the rules?

There's a cruise for the shakedown class.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by texasmotorplex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

--Fastest Street Car in Texas Shakedown Class--
Heads Up / .400 Pro Tree / One Shot Winner take all format / Must be able to Cruise. $3000 to the Fastest Street Car in Texas / $1000 to the Second Fastest Street Car in Texas

Spring Event Schedule
Cruise for Shakedown Class: 5:00pm
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, not really. It was backhalved for a safety issue, I went from running a 4-link with stock framerails to a 4-link with a tube chassis back half. Didn't change much of the suspension geometry, just went to a tube chassis to make the car stiffer so it would sway less on the top end. 60's didn't change, but I picked up a little bit on the top end. I run either a tiny 275/60/15 drag radial or a 28x10.5 (non W) slick, so I didn't go back half to stick a giant tire under there, those are tire sizes that you can fit under a stock fox body, or maybe with minitubs to make sure it doesn't rub.

Even if backhalfing gives my car some advantage over other cars, all I have to say is tough **** and do whatever it takes to make your car faster. Is running turbos an unfair advantage too? Should I pull off the turbo kit and run naturally aspirated? Is RWD an unfair advantage to anyone there running FWD? Maybe I should convert the car over with a transaxle? My point is my car is a STREET CAR. I still have carpeted interior with sound deadening, an air/air intercooler, a mild-ish camshaft in it, comfy seats, fuel pumps that arn't horribly loud, a stereo, power windows/locks, as well as power steering! It's a lot more of a street car than a lot of tin can **** you see on here, people gutting their EG's to 1800 pounds just so they can bust into the 12's with their naturally aspirated stock bore GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

texas lets you get away with driving virtually anything on the street as kit cars can be registered and so forth. let say i built a tube frame car and it weighed 1200 lbs but it had carpet and i drove it on the street. lets aslo say that i put a 6000hp top fuel engine in it. when i drive it on the street i limit it to 1 percent throttle. its technically a street car because i drive it on the street legally. would you not care if i showed up to your event and tried running this car?

sure, every car will have some advantage or disadvantage and there is nothing wrong with that. but the terms street car is open to interpretation and i dont think that a car with a tube chassis should be considered comparable.

i personally dont care about removing wieght and frame compenents that arnt really necessary such as radiator supports and **** like that. but when you start hacking away at the part of the frame that the suspension if connected to or drastically changing the suspension then it seems a little rediculous.

im glad your car is faster now. im glad it is safer. but i dont think it should run against cars that use factory style suspension or the factory chassis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im glad your car is faster now. im glad it is safer. but i dont think it should run against cars that use factory style suspension or the factory chassis.
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But if those modifications do not break any rules, what is wrong with it?

If you're sitting in 2nd behind this guy, then you obviously are not that dedicated enough to do what it takes to win. 'Nuff said.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">let say i built a tube frame car and it weighed 1200 lbs but it had carpet and i drove it on the street. lets aslo say that i put a 6000hp top fuel engine in it. when i drive it on the street i limit it to 1 percent throttle. its technically a street car because i drive it on the street legally. would you not care if i showed up to your event and tried running this car?
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Good luck getting that top fuel motor to make it through the cruise part of the race.

The last "King of the Street" race I went to down in Reynolds, GA, the cruise consisted of a 15 min drive around town, then directly back to the staging lanes WITH NO CHANGES! No tire changes, no fuel, no nothing. You have to stand outside the car for the 15min cool down period before eliminations. Fastest car there went mid 7's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But if those modifications do not break any rules, what is wrong with it?

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im not arguing that the mods dont break the rules im arguing that the rules should be different. if the rules just say, the person who can lift the most weight wins the title of strongest guy in the room, and one of the contestants rigs up a pulley system, should he still win? the rules didnt say that he couldnt do that.

again, i think the rules should be changed to reflect a true street car, and not some rediculous car that happens to be driven on the street. if you can runs 8's on the street with full interior and a real chassis and all of that, i wont complain. but if you run 8's and you have jet turbine hanging out of your trunk its not the same thing.

the thing you described about the twenty minutes of driving and no tire change and all of that sounds pretty cool and it would serve to legitimize things.

also, i dont really care, im simply saying the way i think it should go. hell maybe im wrong, its just an opinion and i hope im not coming off too cocky.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
also, i dont really care, im simply saying the way i think it should go. hell maybe im wrong, its just an opinion and i hope im not coming off too cocky.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In racing, opinions are like ********. Everyone's got one, but they all stink except your own.

 

best class ever .....they go in the 7s on 10.5w streeet tires

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im not arguing that the mods dont break the rules im arguing that the rules should be different. if the rules just say, the person who can lift the most weight wins the title of strongest guy in the room, and one of the contestants rigs up a pulley system, should he still win? the rules didnt say that he couldnt do that.

again, i think the rules should be changed to reflect a true street car, and not some rediculous car that happens to be driven on the street. if you can runs 8's on the street with full interior and a real chassis and all of that, i wont complain. but if you run 8's and you have jet turbine hanging out of your trunk its not the same thing.

the thing you described about the twenty minutes of driving and no tire change and all of that sounds pretty cool and it would serve to legitimize things.

also, i dont really care, im simply saying the way i think it should go. hell maybe im wrong, its just an opinion and i hope im not coming off too cocky.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Rediculous car or not, it still is a street car. Would it still have a stereo with a pair of subs if it was a race car? How about power steering? Don't really need that at the dragstrip. A mild low-lash solid roller with not a lot of lift to ensure the valvesprings will last ~10K miles on the street wasn't put in the car because it's only a drag racer. And I don't have 17" wheels and tires for it to only run on the strip.

I have as full of an interior as is possible with a 25.5 cage (back seat is worthless with a funny car cage, so it was pointless to put anything in there), and I run on a DOT tire 99% of the time. ****, I even have a pump gas tune for the car and I run more 93 octane through the motor than I do C16. I drove this car to work on Wednesday!

But you're right. It's a back half car so therefore it's not a street car. Doesn't matter that I have 17's with radials on all 4 corners, I run pump gas in it, and It'll comfortably idle at a stoplight without going over 180*, it's not a street car.

 

There is always going to be someone that doesn't like the rules set (usually the ones just ouside of said rules), but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMS Eric #2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is always going to be someone that doesn't like the rules set (usually the ones just ouside of said rules), but a line has to be drawn somewhere.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it's more the people that have no chance because certain people build a car to full potential of the rules that don't like them.

 

no its more that you pay 25 bucks to race one time and get raped by a 1 peace front end, a blower sticking up 6 inches from the hood.

and the other cars running ithink 5 were all close to the same times..