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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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Im driving last week in my 2003 Accord when all of a sudden the car pulls back and wont go over 20 mph. Then all the gear lights in the dash start flashing and my engine check and battery light come on. I take it to my house where im told its my tranny. Turned off the car and when i turned it back on and tried to put it into a gear it wouldnt even come out of park. So a tow truck came and unlocked some safety feature n threw it in reverse onto the truck to honda. Honda calls and tells me its the tranny their ordering a new one. Its been a week now and they said that all my electronics in the car are blowing all my sensors.. for ex. O2 sensor and so forth. Service manager says the o2 sensor being blown is due to my AEM intake. Which isn't even the piping all i have is the filter. I am running a lot of power to electronics. for ex. 2 tv's a dvd player 2 amplifiers and 2 subs. He says if i dont get rid of all of this stuff its going to continue to happen does anyone have any alternatives rather than me having to remove all my electronics.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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As long as everything you listed is installed correctly, you're fine. Service managers like to blame problems away on aftermarket items, especially when you're still under warranty.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Ask the service manager if he's familiar with the Magnusson-Moss Act... You should read up on it, too.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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im not sure if everything is installed correctly lol. when a girl walks into a car place they know that i wont know the difference of it being installed correctly or not. someone told me to get a seperate car audio battery just for all that stuff.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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as long as all the aftermarket audio/video is running on it's own power bus you should be ok, I'm curious how many watts you're pulling all together though.

Sensors blowing out can be caused by feedback into the main power bus and by the ECU frying.

I find it highly unlikely that your audio/video is causing this but shotty installation can be the culprite of some strange things.

If they tapped into power that was meant for somthing important it can cause major problems depending on what they tapped into.

If you don't have 4 gauge wire running from your battery to the trunk and all of your audio/video running off of that and a chassis grounding block within 6-12 inches of a proper ground using the same gauge wire as power. You might have some issues.

I've got my car all kinds of wired up, I have 2 amps, 400 watt inverter, computer wires running to both seats for laptops, etc, etc. All of that power is coming off of my power block in the trunk which is brought there by 4 gauge wire and the ground block is attatched to chassis ground by a <12 inch 4 gauge wire.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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so by power block you mean like an extra battery in your trunk?
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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no, give me a sec, I'll run out to my car and take a few pics.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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i just got off the phone with honda again and they told me my whole transmission was fine and it was the solenoids they had to replace and they said that was due to the voltage im pulling from the car as well
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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can you explain in detail all of these electronics that are drawing so much power?

Don't pay attention to the zip ties, if you had any idea how much of a pain in the *** it is to do an H22 swap in a 6th gen you'd understand.







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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Okay I have a 1500 watt amp for my two subs. Then I have a 4-channel amp for my highs and lows pulling 800 watts. I have a battery capacitor hooked up to the 2 channel but not the 4 channel. I also have a dvd player...a tv in my rearview mirror and a 10" screen from the roof in the backseat.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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how big are the subs and how many farades is the cap?
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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That looks complicated.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 03:57 AM
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If It was me I would remove the subs because they are not good, they don't sound good, just make you look like a wanksta.. Subs were cool back in 1999..

Secondly that stereo install is very dirty.. really looks like a backyard job.. get it redone at a proper place.

Honda's motors and transmissions don't break ever.. so I am glad the dealership was honest there.

I would recommend that you get your stereo fully reinstalled by a person with at least four teeth this time.

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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 06:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by londonsupra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If It was me I would remove the subs because they are not good, they don't sound good, just make you look like a wanksta.. Subs were cool back in 1999..

Secondly that stereo install is very dirty.. really looks like a backyard job.. get it redone at a proper place.

Honda's motors and transmissions don't break ever.. so I am glad the dealership was honest there.

I would recommend that you get your stereo fully reinstalled by a person with at least four teeth this time.

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that's not her install, it's mine, and I did it myself.

2nd I've got an H22 with a spun bearing and a transmission that fails to engage half the time.

3rd 6th gen accords have a high failure rate for automatic transmissions, which is why they extended the warrenty on them.

All honda transmissions have a tendency to go bad over time, and in my personal opinion USDM has a higher failure rate than JDM, but that's my opinion.

Try outputing audio bellow 120Hz on stock speakers and tell me the quality of audio you get out, you must have grown up around all the "G-playas" that put more money into their stereo then their car. It's been proven repeatedly that in order to obtain a full spectrum of the audio frequencys you need 3 seperate ranges of speakers, Lows (subs) Mids (The usual speakers in cars) and your Highs (tweeters). If you like listening to unfiltered crap coming out of your stereo have a blast.

thanks for sharing your vast knowledge of Hondas and audio/visual equipment.


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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 07:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flipsk8r0628 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... and a 10" screen from the roof in the backseat.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Any chance of a picture of this (both open and closed position), and does it block your view in the rear-view mirror?

My wife was wanting something like this for the kids. I have a '99 LX but it's close enough in size to the '03s.

Thanks!
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 07:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All honda transmissions have a tendency to go bad over time, especially USDM.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why's that?
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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I'd double check all your grounds, having a bad one can fry your electronics in a hurry.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Why's that?
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we've been over this before, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Infact I was discussing this with someone from maryland the other day that brought it up on his own that he can't explain it, but the JDM engines/trannys seem to be better built, neither of us know why, but they take torture better.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

that's not her install, it's mine, and I did it myself.

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Oh ok, It looks like you take your time to do things correctly, nice clean install there, I cant imagine theres any issues there... ;(

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

2nd I've got an H22 with a spun bearing and a transmission that fails to engage half the time.

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Well if your engine installs are anything like your stereo installs I am sure user error could not be to blame.


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All honda transmissions have a tendency to go bad over time, especially USDM.

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Fair statement, properally backed up with plenty supportive information.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Try outputing audio bellow 120Hz on stock speakers and tell me the quality of audio you get out, you must have grown up around all the "G-playas" that put more money into their stereo then their car. It's been proven repeatedly that in order to obtain a full spectrum of the audio frequencys you need 3 seperate ranges of speakers, Lows (subs) Mids (The usual speakers in cars) and your Highs (tweeters). If you like listening to unfiltered crap coming out of your stereo have a blast.

thanks for sharing your vast knowledge of Hondas and audio/visual equipment.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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No human being needs two 12 inch subs inside a car. A nice set of highs and mids is all a person actually needs. Unless your harder then 50 cent and listen to gangster music. Seeing as how the full audio spectrum is professionally presented by listening to a man screaming about how he ***** bitches in the ear.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we've been over this before</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought that was you

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord2k-Hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you have your opinion and I have mine</TD></TR></TABLE>

and yet you still seem to pass yours off as fact
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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and yet you still seem to pass yours off as fact</TD></TR></TABLE>

fixed
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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ok
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No human being needs two 12 inch subs inside a car. A nice set of highs and mids is all a person actually needs. Unless your harder then 50 cent and listen to gangster music. Seeing as how the full audio spectrum is professionally presented by listening to a man screaming about how he ***** bitches in the ear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your an idiot. your not contributing anything to help the thread. your randomly bashing another persons car while hes trying help out the OP.

and if you knew anything about audio, to fully hear the music as it was intended you NEED subs too. stock coaxial speakers do a alright job in covering most of the frequencies. but once you upgrade to aftermakret speakers, such as the component mid range and tweeters you speek of, you NEED a sub to go with. if you ever heard a car with only mid range woofers and tweeters, the sound is not full, overly high-pitched, unblanced, and just sounds worse then a stock audio system.

and dont try to tell me **** about audio, the system in my room probably cost more then what you got done to your car.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by londonsupra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No human being needs two 12 inch subs inside a car. A nice set of highs and mids is all a person actually needs. Unless your harder then 50 cent and listen to gangster music. Seeing as how the full audio spectrum is professionally presented by listening to a man screaming about how he ***** bitches in the ear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't like rap, thats fine. How about classical? Try listening to a full spectrum recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. One with real cannon fire. Tell me a system without a subwoofer isn't missing something. Fact of the matter is, lots of differnt styles of music have instruments/sounds that go down to 50 - 120 Hz. W/O a subwoofer you are just missing them.

Oh yeah, harder than 50 cent? My 90 year old grandmother is harder than fiddy.

and now, back on topic


while the dealership is probably full of shiot, you can seriously start to fack up electronics by running power down a ground line. Try to appease them by pulling the power to all of your aftermarket stuff.
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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Uh yeah honda trans do go out. ALOT. Ive had the trans in my 97 accord replaced twice and just today my wife's 99 civic 5 speed trans was replaced. All three times the mechanic said "If there is anything that goes wrong with a honda, its the transmission."
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