My brother wants to install a jackson supercharged into his stock 97 civic hb w/ d16y8 motor. He just want it to run at least in the high 13's. Will this supercharged help or is it a waste of money?

 

How much does the S/C cost? I know you can piece together a turbo kit with a good tune for around 1500. Should get about 225whp i would imagine.

 

the s/c cost around 1000 from my brother in law.

 

$1000 is pretty good if if comes with everything. Most kits are carb legal too if you are in Cali.

His car should be pretty light so i dont see him having trouble running 13s if he gets around 200whp out of it. just get a good tune,suspension, and sticky tires.

If he has the cash, i would recomend a Edelbrock Turbo kit for his car. COMPLETE kit, GT28R turbo, fuel management, intake manifold...the works. Managment sucks though but if you are only looking to get 200whp then the piggy back is good for that, if he wants more in the future id get Hondata.

 

going to need more than that supercharger to run 13s...

 

there arent a lot of options for the jackson racing supercharger for that motor...you should build the motor though.how much mileage does it have?

 

If he just wants to drag, go turbo - it has more upgradability than a S/C.

I went S/C since my Sol's a daily driver. It gives the engine a lot more guts, and I typically don't wind it out.

PM

 

supercharged sohc, cute!

 

Jackson Racing supercharger + D16Y8 = low 15's/high 14's

Don't waste your money.

 

THANK YOU! +1 on supercharging a sohc being cute. heh

 

i'd rather supercharge a prelude

 

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going fast is not cheap...i can tell you that from experience...its not only a supercharge or a turbo that gets u that "13" other factors like suspension traction, gear ratio all come into play. i personally wouldn't waste time or money on a single cam. but that's just my .2 cents

to each his own.

 

SOHC turboing is a good way to go if you're broke and you want a faster car than stock. It can be quite fast with the right tuning,and can put out quite a bit of HP if you do it right. Turbo it cause it's easier to get more HP for less $$

 

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True if you want a ghetto piece of dog **** set up. Im guessing you would be running a stock clutch/PP and using old oem parts off of old cars at the junkyard. Also while your being that cheap how can you justify buying 91+ octane fuel? I admit, there is budget and then there is ghetto mexico budget

 

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It's all application based.

Superchargers are favorable to high displacement engines. I wouldn't slap a supercharger on anything less than 1.8L DEFINITELY and PROBABLY wouldn't put it on anything less than 2.2L.

The lower displacement simply doesn't create the torque necessary to counter the strain of the pulley - where as a 305 (5L) fox body can easily throw down enough torque to let it rip .

Turbocharging is cheaper, and in my personal opinion, better for less than 2.0L applications.

 

I'm not sure how this will meet your 1/4 mile time goal but adding a S/C will gain about 40% increase in performance according to the dyno on JR's web site. Specifically, this dyno chart shows peak HP going from 103 to 142 and max torque from 97.89 to 124.2. So for $1000 you're paying for about $25 per increase in HP with no other mods. I'm not saying you shouldn't consider a turbo but all I'm saying is a supercharger is a viable mod for the SOHC Y8 unlike what the previous poster stated.

http://www.supercharger.com/Cu...x.gif

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sql_civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure how this will meet your 1/4 mile time goal but adding a S/C will gain about 40% increase in performance according to the dyno on JR's web site. Specifically, this dyno chart shows peak HP going from 103 to 142 and max torque from 97.89 to 124.2. So for $1000 you're paying for about $25 per increase in HP with no other mods. I'm not saying you shouldn't consider a turbo but all I'm saying is a supercharger is a viable mod for the SOHC Y8 unlike what the previous poster stated.

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@ OP:
And unlike the poster above stated, a turbo for 1k can throw you 200whp on stock internals opposed to the 142 "dyno proven." .

Like I said, I wouldn't use an SC on a 1.6L SOHC, but it's your call.

 

My was intended to disagree with your assertion that "lower displacement simply doesn't create the torque necessary to counter the strain of the pulley". If that were true there'd be no net gain in performance. But I do agree that a S/C is not a good choice for a 1/4 mile run. However, many auto-x racers have told me that it's their prefered means of boost on this engine. Seriously though, which turbo kit that's complete for $1000 can top 200hp with no other mods including tuning?

 

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My was intended to disagree with your assertion that "lower displacement simply doesn't create the torque necessary to counter the strain of the pulley". If that were true there'd be no net gain in performance. But I do agree that a S/C is not a good choice for a 1/4 mile run. However, many auto-x racers have told me that it's their prefered means of boost on this engine. Seriously though, which turbo kit that's complete for $1000 can top 200hp with no other mods including tuning? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Many people only going for 200whp build their own - and I think the record for a build is like 600. Tuning isn't expensive if you're smart about it and don't take it to the most expensive dyno tuning shop in town - it's not hard, especially for 200whp - do it yourself.

Yes, the SC has a more linear torque curve but even the autoX'ers will tell you that turbos are better. Just smaller turbos that spool earlier.

It comes down to this:
Displacement has a direct correlation with torque. Low displacement engines simply don't have the immediate torque at the flywheel to work well with a pulley app such as a supercharger where a turbocharger puts no additional stress on the crank.

I'm not dissing superchargers, I'm just saying they don't make good choices on stock 1.6L SOHC's. If he was packing a 350 it's a different ball game.

Though go to http://www.homemadeturbo.com - you see lots of pple making turbo builds at like 180 or so on gathered parts. DSM parts are big there.

GENERALLY for a D series you'll spend less for a turbo kit than a supercharger kit. Though you didn't see my point in the first 2 posts so there's no reason to think anything has changed.

@ OP:
Personally I would never try rocking a JRSC on a stock 1.6L SOHC - it will NOT net you that much power, it WILL get **** on by a turbo setup on a Y8 when you're talking numbers like that - it will probably be cheaper - and it probably will not put you into the 13's.

 

so if it works, and makes power that makes it mexican? racism shows stupidity.

 

S/C SOHC = "cute" Hehe, don't make me flex.

I'm not racing, and not trying to outrun what I meet on the street. A D16 is pretty anemic stock, and with my typical DD routine of &lt;4k rpm, a S/C made for a very different drive. I was looking at a B16 swap, but those don't become monsters until you rev them high (and the exhaust cams start breathing). In my DD, I don't think I could tell much of a difference between a D and B, the way I drive.

After S/C'ing - WHOLE different beast. It's not as anemic. Cute, maybe, but not gutless anymore.

Again, for the OP - you'll need to turbo for drag, but remember - it takes a lot of work to get a good turbo setup going. The S/C took less than a day to install and tune (FMU, mind you - soon to change). No tapping the oil pan, no complex piping to work thru. Not as much speed, though - but pretty durn easy to get into every morning and zip into work.

Don't hate S/C's - you're playing with essentially instant power at throttle tip-in. I can't wind the engine out and spool up a turbo in stop-n-go traffic here in SoCal.

PM

 

118k mileage

 

Actually i forgot to to you guy that he's gonna put stage 2 cams and camgear on it witn skunk 2 or crower valve spring and retainer.

 

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Yes, the SC has a more linear torque curve but even the autoX'ers will tell you that turbos are better. Just smaller turbos that spool earlier.

It comes down to this:
Displacement has a direct correlation with torque. Low displacement engines simply don't have the immediate torque at the flywheel to work well with a pulley app such as a supercharger where a turbocharger puts no additional stress on the crank.

I'm not dissing superchargers, I'm just saying they don't make good choices on stock 1.6L SOHC's. If he was packing a 350 it's a different ball game.

Though go to http://www.homemadeturbo.com - you see lots of pple making turbo builds at like 180 or so on gathered parts. DSM parts are big there.

GENERALLY for a D series you'll spend less for a turbo kit than a supercharger kit. Though you didn't see my point in the first 2 posts so there's no reason to think anything has changed.

@ OP:
Personally I would never try rocking a JRSC on a stock 1.6L SOHC - it will NOT net you that much power, it WILL get **** on by a turbo setup on a Y8 when you're talking numbers like that - it will probably be cheaper - and it probably will not put you into the 13's. </TD></TR></TABLE>


you'd know this how syn??????? around 800 bucks i got my turbo running clean

j yard is your friend, especially the jdm themed ones or the police j yards,

bov's, and piping are cheap, but then again i weld/'fab parts, from what ive seen noone else really does that on here. honda tech land of the bolt on bandits

that price is including a cast iron log type greddy mani with an internally wastegated 12 psi spring

ne gauges, and a turbo timer

 

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Many people only going for 200whp build their own - and I think the record for a build is like 600. Tuning isn't expensive if you're smart about it and don't take it to the most expensive dyno tuning shop in town - it's not hard, especially for 200whp - do it yourself.

Yes, the SC has a more linear torque curve but even the autoX'ers will tell you that turbos are better. Just smaller turbos that spool earlier.

It comes down to this:
Displacement has a direct correlation with torque. Low displacement engines simply don't have the immediate torque at the flywheel to work well with a pulley app such as a supercharger where a turbocharger puts no additional stress on the crank.

I'm not dissing superchargers, I'm just saying they don't make good choices on stock 1.6L SOHC's. If he was packing a 350 it's a different ball game.

Though go to http://www.homemadeturbo.com - you see lots of pple making turbo builds at like 180 or so on gathered parts. DSM parts are big there.

GENERALLY for a D series you'll spend less for a turbo kit than a supercharger kit. Though you didn't see my point in the first 2 posts so there's no reason to think anything has changed.

@ OP:
Personally I would never try rocking a JRSC on a stock 1.6L SOHC - it will NOT net you that much power, it WILL get **** on by a turbo setup on a Y8 when you're talking numbers like that - it will probably be cheaper - and it probably will not put you into the 13's. </TD></TR></TABLE> Gotta love wikipedia, and howstuffworks.