My beef is with the entire section 4-6 (in sport compact rulebook) that states that SFWD cars MUST have complete interior including door panels, headliner, carpet, etc. Also, the matching front seats along with fully operative controls i.e. lights, horns, windshield wipers, etc. What's the deal with this?

I understand they want to TRY and keep these cars as close to street cars as possible but it's not working. These cars would NEVER pass emissions or inspection, and RARELY, if ever, are 75% of them driven on the street anymore. So how is having a full interior except back seats, separating this class from Hot Rod? The main differences between SFWD and Hot Rod should be based on real performance issues, i.e. # of power adders, displacement, suspension, chassis, etc.

So, I'm curious, would I have any backing on this from other racers in here? I want to propose a rule change to NHRA about this and I think that having a field of racers who feel the same way might help the cause.

 

Because they dont want hacked up gutted cars in the staging lanes, the cars do look clean and professional not junkyard warriors. Same with Street Stock rules, they want it to be presentable rather than 800 hp hunks of junk resurected from the junk yard with a cage thrown in them.

 

ummm...seriously man, would it really make the much difference? I mean, what are we talking 50 lbs? at most? I'f you've got a beef with the rules, take it up with the NHRA, let them do the legwork to see if it's a worthwhile change

 

I decided to unlock this, and see what comes of it. If it gets out of hand though, the lock goes back on

 

i kind of like the stock look of the interiors of our cars.....i think its def. less than 50 lbs of crap in there. maybe be a little more lenient on the 2 matching seats simply on the fact a lot of people spend a lot of money for a nice drivers seat and dont want to spend the money on a matching passanger seat.

im poor so i have 2 matching peice of crap cheap seats

 

I have no problem with those rules, I believe that there are they for a reason. (street Car)

Yes Hardly any competitve sfwd gets driven on the street but what about the other people who dont have a competitive car but want to be in the same league as some of the fast people.

rear qtr panels weigh about 5 pnds, another seat 15-20, glove box 2pnds, headliner 3pnds.... I really dont mind that weight...

And like someone said the cars do look more representable as owners and for shops

Edit:
The horn and windshield wipers are the only things that get me

 

u don't wanna run interior? theres already class for you, its called hot rod

 

lol, is this for real?

Sorry, but they're not going to change that rule, there's no reason to. The class is a "street" class, the cars should resemble street cars. The interior weighs way less than 50lbs, what's the big deal about keeping it in?

 

I wrote a huge reply to this before but it was locked so I will make this one short. I don't think having an interior is a big deal but one thing I would like to see changed is the rule about having to have the car registered and insured. Most of the cars in this class do not drive on the street and it is expensive to carry insurance on a car that never sees the street. The money wasted on insurance could be used towards something else for the car or on ins that actually covers your car if it is stolen. But those type of companies that insure for stated amount is not sufficent to regsister your car and drive it on the street.

I feel if you car pass tech and has all of the crap working like lights, horn, wipers and so on you should not have to have it registered and insured or inspected. 99% of the cars in the class would not even pass a state inspection or emmission and I feel it is a waste and pain to have to go through it every year.

Just my .02

 

I wish our HOT ROD car interior had more of an OEM look to it. It just looks sweet.
John Shephard's car has more interior than most SFWD's!
That is one of the biggest reason I LOVE his car!

My point.......OP your thread is lame! I hear they do not have to have an interior in drifting? Maybe those guys will help you take on the NHRA

 

the more lenient the rules become, the more it will get out of hand. I say bring on more rules

 

Its not the weight that I have a problem with its the fact that this rule has no safety or performance value whatsoever, its simply a nusaince. It should be up to the individual whether they want their car to look "stock" inside or not. This has no bearing on the outcome of a race or the safety of a driver.

 

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Hahaha i like that jab.

But seriously,this is my fourth season running SFWD and the rules are fine the way they are. Interior in the cars is just so much better looking,and not much of a weight difference.

I think you should of thought really hard before you posted..Most people on this forum is Pro NHRA.

 

Nuisance or not, its just part of how the class is planned to look. Alot of other things are not necessary, but to keep with a standard, thats why the rules are placed there.

Same deal with the Street Stock, I think its a nuisance to have to run drag radials only, but then thats part of what makes the class what it is.

 

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Same deal with the Street Stock, I think its a nuisance to have to run drag radials only, but then thats part of what makes the class what it is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats a rule that affects ETs. The rule I am talking about is not like this at all. Carpet or no carpet, there's nothing to gain.

 

If you want a pro car...build a pro car. I think the interior rule is important for the Sport FWD class. It is a street class and there needs to be something to distinguish a good SFWD car from a half *** Hot Rod car.

 

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How is it a "nuisance" that they require things that are on every car that rolled off the assembly line? Seems to me, if you were concerned with avoiding "nuisances", you wouldn't go to the trouble of removing the stuff that is already there in the first place.

I'm a HUGE fan of the class the way it sits. It takes away just one more excuse from the haters that say, "well Hondas can be fast, but they're all tin cans". Have you ever competed in the class? Don't expect the NHRA to hold your opinion of the class in very high regard if you haven't even come out to participate in it.

 

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WTF! I actually agree with 4piston for once . At any rate having this rule does bring the street appearance look to the class which gives the illusion of a street car. I race a heavy prelude in SFWD the class where every bit of weight loss helps. But I still maintain full interior front and backseats power windows radio yadda yadda. If your that worried about the little of extra weight from the carpet and other mandatory interior pieces you can either run Hot Rod class or just deal with the rules.

P.S You can simply turn the boost up a pound to make up for the weight or you can even take a **** before every run if weight it that much of a hold back . Gotta love the track hotdogs

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by md23vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If your that worried about the little of extra weight from the carpet and other mandatory interior pieces you can either run Hot Rod class or just deal with the rules.

P.S You can simply turn the boost up a pound to make up for the weight or you can even take a **** before every run if weight it that much of a hold back . Gotta love the track hotdogs </TD></TR></TABLE>

once again its not about the weight.

 

If weight isnt the issue, and the car came with those pieces from the factory so its no gonna cost you anything, then whats the problem?

 

They might not pass inspection, emissions/carb test, but this is the class standard..

I , too, used to think it was dumb.. But if you really think about it, it makes it a class of uniformity. And its possible to say NHRA is trying to portay the uniformity to us just as it is presented to the powerade series. So wouldnt you want to do something that will help the sport grow? The fact of the matter is, the sport will probably continue on, with or without any willing participants who want to be exceptional to rules like these.. The people who TRULY love the sport and the class will bend over backwards to propel the class in the right direction..

So either get on the train with everybody else, or sit at the station. But i can assure you the station isnt moving

 

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So either get on the train with everybody else, or sit at the station. But i can assure you the station isnt moving </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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WTF! I actually agree with 4piston for once </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's twice in 2 weeks that you have agreed with me!! Hell is freezing.......

 

Emissions ... What is emissions?

 

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That's twice in 2 weeks that you have agreed with me!! Hell is freezing.......</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually it did get pretty damn cold lately.. wtf, start argueing again please!