Hey guys. I've been doing research, and searching like crazy for the answer to this, I was hoping someone on here could help me.

I'm going to put the JDM teg front onto my US integra. I really want the HID front (who doesn't) but I keep finding smoking deals, with better parts, on the non-HID front ends. My question is this, is there more different than just the headlights on these 2 front ends? The windshield squirter bottle is different I know, but if I bought the non HID for now, and then upgrade to the HID lights in the future, would they bolt right up? Is the core support different for the HID and non-HID fronts?

I'm just having a really hard time finding a really clean HID front. But I can buy the headlights brand new, for around 700. Please help.

 

why dont you just save the money on the hid front end and get an aftermarket one.

 

got any good web sites, or reputable shops?

 

what year is your teg? 94-97 have known fitment issues with the HID ballast and the ABS system

 

'98 GSR.

 

if i were you i would jsut buy the front end wihtout.. then if you decide you need them you could always buy a conversion kit.. or a plug and play kit wich you can get for pretty cheap

 

im pretty sure everything else is the same

 

the abs unit on your 98' gsr will clear the HID balast fine. If you want a clean look, get the OEM hid headlights. They'll give you a nice and crisp cutoff. Otherwise, you'll get a lot of glare and there won't be a direct beam pattern with an aftermarket kit.

 

forgot to mention, there no differences as far as the hid and non-hid headlights bolting up.

 

buy non-hid then save for the OEM hids, no aftermarket kit will ever look as good as oem, trust me

 

just get a non hid front. if you really want them that bad buy them later down the road and then turn around and sell your non hids for like 300$. then its like buying the hids for 400$

 

What about retrofitting HIDs yourself? You need a dremmel and some JB weld. Atleast this worked for my friends EG


Modified by RS'R' at 4:51 PM 2/26/2007

 

sweet. that is what I wanted to know. I just wasn't sure if there was a difference in the core support between non-HID and HID. I didn't want to find out down the road that the HID lights wouldn't work with the non-HID support. But if it's just a simple bolt in swap later on, I might just go with the non-HID conversion for right now.

thanks a bunch guys

 

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That would be the best option, as you will have the proper LHD cutoff pattern. But of course that's alot of work, and if you can sell the non-HID lights and then buy the HID ones you might actually get it for less money than a retrofit.

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT put an HID kit into the non-HID headlights. It will look like junk no matter what kit you put in there.

 

nah, I feel ya. I'm one of those "****" guys that has to have everything perfect, and OEM. If HID is in my future, it will be factory Honda issue HID.

 

Just get the non hid ones and do a retro fit. Dont get the hid ones either. Those hids are designed for LHD cars. The light shields are in the wrong direction so your going to be blinding oncoming traffic and the signs won't be lit well.

You can get your lights retrofitted for about $300 if you buy your own hid projectors. I would suggest a tsx or s2000 projectors.

Plus why would you want hids from 5yrs ago? Might as well put in a new hid projector.

Go here to do your research and retrofits

http://www.hidplanet.com

Get the non hid ones and save for a retrofit later. I have tsx projectors my integ and i love it. Lot of color and light.

 

http://www.hmotorsonline.com

 

would you recommend Hmotors over Password? Looks like prices are about the same. I've dealt with Password before, and they seem pretty legit.

http://www.passwordjdm.com/pro...D=215

 

pvt_awol...I want you to read this thread:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1897796

take notice to the difference in the lense between the HID and non-HID headlight assemblies. Everyone says to buy the non-HID assemblies and do the HID-retrofit. I kept my silence until I could see why everyone was saying that. And it seems the majority of the reasoning was to "save money" which I believe is the wrong attitude in this case.

I am sure Honda did not make the two different without a damned good reason in terms of functionality. The argument of the HID headlight assembly being meant for a RHD car will blind oncoming traffic is going to be bad so you should get the non-HID headlights is a poor one. The truth is, the HID is obviously brighter, so it will run into MORE of a chance to blind oncoming traffic. Both headlights are meant for a RHD car. A simple re-aiming will help resolve that issue but it won't completely resolve it as the headlights will still point in the direction of oncoming traffic. ( I know because I have the HIDs ). If anyone wants to dispute that, that's fine. All I know is when I had the non-HIDs I still got the good ol high beam flash every now and again....and even more so often just after I installed the HIDs and before I re-aimed them.

One point I wanted you to see was the difference in the lens. The HID assemblies do not have the "lines" going across the section where the low beams are whereas the non-HID assemblies do. The only thing I can think of is the importance on how the lights are projected. Or at least something along those lines. If you really want to do it right, then buy the HID headlight assemblies and retrofit just the HID projector housing with one that will aim the light towards the right side of the road instead of the left. That way you won't have to hack up the headlights. You'll spend more yes....but over all....me personally...I'd be much happier with it.

Don't get me wrong. Saving money and being creative are two great attributes, but sometimes.....it's just not the proper way to go. But that's only my opinion.

 

saving money is a good thing, but my other car is a 10 second daily driven civic (of course NOT 10 sec on the street tune... for anyone who was about to flame) so I'm used to spending stupid amounts of money, to not get very much. I've made too many mistakes buying stuff, and trying to be "cheap" with my civic, and then ending up spending waaay more money in the long run to make it all work reliable. Anyone who has ever tried to turbo a honda for cheap, can probably attest to how volatile a mixture cheap and fast can be.

So, with regard to my integra, I'm making sure to use the lessons I have learned from the civic build. Do it right, and do it right the FIRST time. If you don't have enough money to get the right part, save up longer.

Having said all of that, the OEM HID headlights will find their way into my car. There will be no retrofitting. (a little adjustment and aiming, yes) That HMotors.online seems to be the best price I've seen for the HID front end. I think thats what I'm going for. Really quick, anyone have experience with these guys? Good shop to do business with? Let me know!


and you can just tell that she's dying to have the JDM front end. Look at her sad face:

 

good luck with your project!

 

thanks man. I found a shop here in Kansas (I recently moved from the tuner sanctuary of the west coast) that says he will do the conversion with paint for 1700. I'm almost positive that can't include the parts.... but maybe if I'm lucky. Of course, if it does include the parts, why so cheap? All things I need consider.

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1897796

take notice to the difference in the lense between the HID and non-HID headlight assemblies. Everyone says to buy the non-HID assemblies and do the HID-retrofit. I kept my silence until I could see why everyone was saying that. And it seems the majority of the reasoning was to "save money" which I believe is the wrong attitude in this case.

I am sure Honda did not make the two different without a damned good reason in terms of functionality. The argument of the HID headlight assembly being meant for a RHD car will blind oncoming traffic is going to be bad so you should get the non-HID headlights is a poor one. The truth is, the HID is obviously brighter, so it will run into MORE of a chance to blind oncoming traffic. Both headlights are meant for a RHD car. A simple re-aiming will help resolve that issue but it won't completely resolve it as the headlights will still point in the direction of oncoming traffic. ( I know because I have the HIDs ). If anyone wants to dispute that, that's fine. All I know is when I had the non-HIDs I still got the good ol high beam flash every now and again....and even more so often just after I installed the HIDs and before I re-aimed them.

One point I wanted you to see was the difference in the lens. The HID assemblies do not have the "lines" going across the section where the low beams are whereas the non-HID assemblies do. The only thing I can think of is the importance on how the lights are projected. Or at least something along those lines. If you really want to do it right, then buy the HID headlight assemblies and retrofit just the HID projector housing with one that will aim the light towards the right side of the road instead of the left. That way you won't have to hack up the headlights. You'll spend more yes....but over all....me personally...I'd be much happier with it.

Don't get me wrong. Saving money and being creative are two great attributes, but sometimes.....it's just not the proper way to go. But that's only my opinion.

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The lights aren't actually "aimed" to the left or right side of the road. The lights should be aimed straight ahead, and actually should converge a certain distance down the road, like 200-300 feet. The cutoff steps from each projector should actually come together and look like a single stepped pattern at a distance.

The issue is really just the step in the cutoff, which makes the cutoff a touch higher on one side than the other. With the JDM HID headlights, the step is quite small (like with S2000 projectors) and if you aim them down slightly, it shouldn't be a big deal.

Now if they were something like ECE projectors with a large slanted step, like in my Hella HID projectors, then it would be much more of a problem.

Also the lines going across the lens do not affect light output or beam pattern in any detectable way. Only a fluted prismatic lens, or LOTS of lines would have a noticeable effect on the light pattern/output.

 

i kno someone that did that........but i do think that the abs controls on the right side might create a problem since i think the type-r didnt have that there

 

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Yes they did. It's not a problem on 98+ Integras, because the ABS system was redesigned to use a smaller pump, in order to accommodate the HID ballast used in Japan.