hey
if you have a turbo d16 (with a non-huge turbo/a lot of turbo lag), how good will it be on the track. Like I'm assuming B's are better because of their DOHC (either turbo or n/a), so how would the response time of a SOHC (turbo, because a n/a is slow and costly).

Like pretty much I'm into drag and circuit now, before I was planning to build a turbo d16z6 just for drag, but now i want to go track racing too so if i get a smaller turbo can I do both? Or should I just get a B (K if money permits)


Modified by drift_n_shift at 8:04 PM 2/25/2007


Modified by drift_n_shift at 8:16 PM 2/25/2007

 

1) No bench racing is allowed
2) What the hell is the setup going to be? How much power do you want to put down? What motor? What trans?
3) Turbo D > stock B

 

i stopped reading after "(turbo, because a n/a is slow)."

 

You could see anywhere between 89-140mph depending on the setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cambopheonix56 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1) No bench racing is allowed
2) What the hell is the setup going to be? How much power do you want to put down? What motor? What trans?
3) Turbo D &gt; stock B</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol ya, but thats why im actually doing this so i dont bench race anymore

at first i wanted to be a dyno queen and go 430whp+; but now i'm looking for something i can run on pump gas, so 250-350whp depending on the psi its running at. im also looking for turbos that produces decent #'s without a lot of turbo lag. trans is the d16y8. setup for the d16's are usually simple, just pistons, rods, intake, and some head work, i have all those details worked out.

i was wondering whether a turbo sohc is responsive or worth to use at the track. or just save up for a b and make it n/a or turbo. like i keep see videos or cars circuit racing, or touge racing and their revs are usually high, so it'd be good with a n/a. but a b is kinda expensive for the amount of power it returns, so i was thinking turbo sohc. does this question make any sense?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GarageAlchemist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i stopped reading after "(turbo, because a n/a is slow)."</TD></TR></TABLE>
I changed it and added cost. I meant sohc's and its true. It's pretty hard and costly to get 200whp outta a d16. i believe there is a company that does it, but a n/a d16 is not worth it. Usually for na i'd say k, or b.

 

you honestly dont seem to know what your doing...response time will be dependent on ALOT of things. Turbo size, block work, etc. do more research

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LiL_Shaun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you honestly dont seem to know what your doing...response time will be dependent on ALOT of things. Turbo size, block work, etc. do more research</TD></TR></TABLE>
nono, i did a ton of research on a d16z6 turbo setup for a drag strip. like what pistons, rod, everything.

but i dont know whether a sohc is any good on a circuit where you keep downshifting and upshifting to keep you in your poweband.

oaky, like pretty much, does it just have to do with turbo size and turbo lag, or being a sohc d16, is it not good for this type of use?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drift_n_shift &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i dont know whether a sohc is any good on a circuit where you keep downshifting and upshifting to keep you in your poweband.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is gonna be the case with most honda engines n/a or turbo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drift_n_shift &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I changed it and added cost. I meant sohc's and its true. It's pretty hard and costly to get 200whp outta a d16.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah...

You do know you can run a D series motor to 200whp for about 1/2 to 1/4 (roughly) the price it'll take you to get a B series to get there on natural aspiration. Right?

 

I was running a TD04 14G (I think those are off of the 3000GTs) and as soon as I hit the gas I was building boost. At 12psi I was running 13.7@105 on really cheap street tires.

Something like that would be awesome for circuit racing. On some of the roads around here I would come out of a corner, hit the gas, & be gone.

 

I have a t25 turbo on my d16z6. Instant boost. Running a 14.2 @ 9 psi on 1/4 mile on a shitty clutch and untune. It'll be a nice turbo for both racing.

 

okay, i think i got my answer now, its pretty much turbo size, the sohc part doesnt affect it much



<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah...
You do know you can run a D series motor to 200whp for about 1/2 to 1/4 (roughly) the price it'll take you to get a B series to get there on natural aspiration. Right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
are you talking about turbo or n/a? i know thats possible for turbo d16. i was talking abut 200whp n/a sohc at first though

 

displacement and RPM's play a huge role in lag.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MR.johnson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">displacement and RPM's play a huge role in lag.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Displacement, RPMs, & turbo size.

For road racing I'd go with something like a T25 or GT28 as far as a turbo, a cam like a ZEX 59300, & a valvetrain that lets you rev the **** out of the motor so you can stay high in the powerband to keep you from falling out of boost.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Everyones Hero &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Displacement, RPMs, & turbo size.

For road racing I'd go with something like a T25 or GT28 as far as a turbo, a cam like a ZEX 59300, & a valvetrain that lets you rev the **** out of the motor so you can stay high in the powerband to keep you from falling out of boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what about crower? i was thinking about using their stage2 turbo camshaft?

 

there are alot of varibales in lag. manifold design, turbo size, ball bearing or not, i/c size, ic piping size amoung others

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drift_n_shift &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey
if you have a turbo d16 (with a non-huge turbo/a lot of turbo lag), how good will it be on the track. Like I'm assuming B's are better because of their DOHC (either turbo or n/a), so how would the response time of a SOHC (turbo, because a n/a is slow and costly).

Like pretty much I'm into drag and circuit now, before I was planning to build a turbo d16z6 just for drag, but now i want to go track racing too so if i get a smaller turbo can I do both? Or should I just get a B (K if money permits)


Modified by drift_n_shift at 8:04 PM 2/25/2007


Modified by drift_n_shift at 8:16 PM 2/25/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>i hate when dum *** people say the dual overhead cam are better or are more powerful than d-series. if this was true than the old big blocks would have been dohc aswell. i bet that if honda made a type r engine with the same exact specs as the dohc it would make the same amount of power. it doesnt matter if and engine has 5 camshafts or 1/2 a camshaft.