i got a 00' si, and a b18c1 block with stock internals, i wanna do the poor mans type r, what else will i need to complete this?

 

a engine stand....

 

Um, slap the b16 head on the block? Use the b16 pistons tho.

 

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some common sense would help

 

ok thanks wasnt sure kinda new to the scene, what would be the best pistons for an all motor an no boring?

 

Use either USDM/JDM ITR pistons or USDM/JDM B16 pistons (PR3/P30).

Also need to do something about those cams. You'll need at least ITR cams or something better to be equivalent to an ITR.

 

grab some itr pistons, a b16 head with itr internals and there you go, a poormans type r

 

Or check this site out and read all about it.

https://honda-tech.com/zerosearch

 

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and lots of it.

 

well about the cams, i got crower stage 2 all motor and crower valve springs and retainers, type r im, and 68mm tb, is there anyone in my area, lexington sc, that would be able to do the swap, because i have no tools to perform the swap.....thanks for the info everyone

 

i would do it but im in wisconsin.

 

Sounds like some fun Good Luck Bro

 

appreciate everything, does anybody know how reliable the rs itr replica pistons are?

 

Cause im cool like that.

http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbth...age/1

 

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New Mexico

If you can't perform it yourself then get a shop. You will need a machine shop anyway to put the pistons on the rods.
Some micrometers may be needed to install the rods to crank or minimum plasti-guage unless you are reusing the same rods even then why not install new bearings since you are right there.

Then you will have to gap your rings as well so there will be some work involved initially.
Once you get the engine together rent a cherry picker and most everything else can be done with a small array of tools like a craftsmen set or whatever.

Welcome to dark side.

 

i was thinkin about the itr pistons with a 3 layer gasket, i heard it would give me 11.1:1 cr, should i do this or get high compression piston and how high cr can i go without worrying about stuff messing up?

 

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Staying all motor? Whats the max octane level on pump gas by you?

Compression calculator: http://www.zealautowerks.com

 

yeah im gonna stay all motor, turbo is too much up keep for my daily right now... but around here the max on pump is 93, i was thinkin 11.5:1 cr but wasn't sure about the piston clearance

 

help soon, can i use a ls crankshaft to stroke my gsr block and would this work with itr pistons.. i seen it on another ht forum

 

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dude, i can see you asking EVERY question imaginable. you swear like you're really going to do this. search and read.

 

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My buddy has a gsr with pct pistons (civic type r) which yields close to 13:1 compression. He has no issues running it on 93 octane. I wouldn't recommend any compression near that unless you have a very good tuner in that area. His motor was tuned by Jeff Evans and runs great If you go with any compression over 10.5:1 I would highly recommend getting the car tuned by a professional tuner. If not you are likely to have a good deal of detonation with even stock timing. Retarding the timing will help with the detonation and will also result in a noticible power loss.

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Yes, an ls crank will work in that block, but you must use the ls rods, or aftermarket ls length rods with it.

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I would personally go with some oversized oem or rs machine pistons ie. p30's or jdm itr's. oversized just means 81.25mm, rather than 81mm. This would allow you to bore your block .25mm and start with a fresh/round cylinder wall. A place with good pricing that i've seen is hmotorsonline.com. But if you definitly want to stay at 81mm I would go with the rs or oem's

 

i appreciate all the help, im prolly gonna go with the itr or ctr pistons, because their cheaper than the rs machined

 

go ctr

just to give you an ideai personally ran a 13.5 with...

gsr block
b16 head
ctr pistons
itr cams
clutch
itr tranny

only had one pass then i sold the motor....i could have dont better...lol

 

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just to give you an ideai personally ran a 13.5 with...

gsr block
b16 head
ctr pistons
itr cams
clutch
itr tranny

only had one pass then i sold the motor....i could have dont better...lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol I went the exact same time with a similar build...

gsr block
11.5:1 forged pistons
b16 head
buddy club 4 cams
itr trans

Only ran it once too lol, then ripped it apart. It was prob a low 13 high 12 car with perfect driving. I just got used to it waay too fast, the motor probably didnt even have 3,000 miles on it (and it was my DD). I went turbo instead, It takes some extra money, but the power it makes in the end is worth it.

 

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Lol I went the exact same time with a similar build...

gsr block
11.5:1 forged pistons
b16 head
buddy club 4 cams
itr trans

Only ran it once too lol, then ripped it apart. It was brob a low 13 high 12 car with perfect driving. I just got used to it waay too fast, the motor probably didnt even have 3,000 miles on it (and it was my DD). I went turbo instead, It takes some extra money, but the power it makes in the end is worth it.

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you had buddy club 4 cams lol...you made more power. i went the same way once you go boost its hard to go back