has anyone put a integra master cylinder on a eg? looked for some write ups didnt find any...if anyone has any info let me know...thanks

 

You need a 94-95 Integra RS master with booster. It will bolt all in without modification to the lines.

 

thanks man...do you know if there is any way to use a ls master and booster?

 

The master cylinders from an ABS system have the hard-lines connecting in different places. You can use them as long as you can bend & re-flare the lines for the different size fitting on one of the lines.

If you use a NON ABS integra master cylinder, the lines will connect just fine.

Either way, you will have to get the matching brake booster because the master cylinders mounting flange angles in a different direction.

May I ask why you want an integra master cylinder? Chances are that is not really what you need, and I would like to point you in the right direction...

 

where did you look??
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=818263

 

i would like to run a larger master cylinder to increase stopping power...using a larger master cylinder will allow more fluid and pressure to run through the lines...just need to upgrade my lines still also

 

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This is what I was afraid of...

Who gave you this information? Whoever put this idea in your head has feed you some total BS. Unless you've switched to different cailpers with larger pistons, a larger master cylinder is only going to mess up your braking system. Have you made any other changes to your brake system?

Remember, it's your tires that stop the car. Not the brakes, not the master cylinder, not anything else. If you can lock-up your wheels (or activate ABS), then your tires are the weak-link in your braking system (not the master cylinder)...

 

why would that mess up my braking system?

And your saying that if i use the integra calipers (gessing that there larger) and use a larger brake with that master cylinder it would be fine? or no?

 

wat is wrong with yours?

do u have a GSR or LS?

 

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And your saying that if i use the integra calipers (gessing that there larger) and use a larger brake with that master cylinder it would be fine? or no?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The oversized master cylinder will push too much fluid too quickly into your calipers. The pedal will be too short and sudden to control smoothly. Also, a larger master cylinder will actually lower fluid pressure at the same pedal pressure causing you to push the pedal harder to get the same result...

The master cylinder must be sized properly to work with the calipers and give the proper pedal response & modulation. Assuming you have an EG civic with small 9.4" front brakes, I can tell you that the stock 13/16" master cylinder moves just the right amount of fluid to properly operate those brakes. Yes the Integra 10.2" front brakes are bigger than your stock front brakes and they do require a larger 15/16" master cylinder when not using an ABS system. There are also larger 10.2" Civic front brakes that look identical to the Integra brakes but do in fact have a slightly smaller piston size. These brakes require a smaller 7/8" master cylinder when not equipped with ABS.

Finally we have the oversized 11" Type R brakes. These brakes are bigger than standard Integra brakes and also use larger cailpers. But since the actual piston inside the caliper is the same size as the regular integra caliper-pistons, you still use a 15/16" master cylinder when not equipped with ABS...

If you do plan on getting integra brakes, you can use the 15/16" master cylinder from the 90-91 Civic EX 4dr and it will bolt directly to your stock brake booster and fluid lines. If you plan on using the Civic 10.2" front brakes, you can directly bolt on the 7/8" master cylinder from the 93-95 Civic EX 2dr w/o ABS...

 

thanks for the info man...appreciate it...i think that in the future i just might go with the 93-95 civic ex non-abs braking system, it sounds more reasonable for what im looking to get out of a brake set-up without spending alot of money...i see what you mean about the whole integra set-up though...I have a '93 si maybe i should just stick with that...hmm

 

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The stock system w/ rear discs is actually really good. The addition of good performance street pads, high performance brake fluid, and some fresh brembo blank rotors is really all you need. That is unless you really like the look of bigger brakes. The extra fade resistance of larger front brakes would really only make itself apparant on the race track where you will encouter repeated heavy braking.

Also, changing to larger front brakes causes a forward shift in brake balance. The stock braking system is already forward biased, so you end up locking up the front tires much sooner than necissary. Since the rear tires aren't reaching their full potential, you are actually increase your overall stopping distance. And stopping distance is purely a function of brake balance.

If you are really interested in this stuff, Stoptech.com has some great articles in their FAQ & Technical sections. Check them out if you like learning about how brakes work, and how to make them better...

 

you can but you need to use the booster also...and move one of the lines from one side to the other...

 

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You forgot to mention that one of the fittings needs to be chopped off & replaced with a larger one also. The the line must be re-flared to work properly. It's already been covered earlier in this thread...

 

awsome info man...i think im just going to wait and upgrade to a much better pad and rotor set-up...i need to get better wheels and tires too...i like my car for a nice daily driver and like to hit turns and touge a little...thats why i was interested in the whole brake set-up, now when choosing a wheel i want i light wheel, but can i go too light??

 

Wheels get exponentially more expensive as they get lighter. The lightest I've seen is the "Spoon/Regamaster SW..whatever" wheels. The fact is, you cannott go too light since tire weighs a ton anyways...

PS: Anything but blank rotors is just for show. Moder brake pad technology doesn't requrie slots or holes to operate properly. But if you like the look, then go ahead and spend two to three times as much...

 

haha nah thats alright...i think i might go with the rota slips, or the konig helium, what tire would you reccomend? im driving daily with it so, wet/dry is always a plus...i was thinkin maybe falken ziex's or something


Oh and do you know what all is required in doing the rear disc conversion on a 92 cx?...A friend is looking to do that soon

 

I can't help you with tires. Picking sizes brands & models is total nightmare for me. I just placed an order for a set of Azenis RT-615s and It took me a couple weeks to finally make that decision. Obviously I went with max dray performance and not tire life...

For longer life performance tires, I really like my brothers Yokohama ES-100s though that he has on his Protege-5...

And yes I do know about rear disc swaps. You can find my write up in the "links" sticky at the top of this forum. The mods even grouped & categorized all the links everyone posted right on the front page. All that info is readily available to you...

 

awsome info man...i think im just going to wait and upgrade to a much better pad and rotor set-up...i need to get better wheels and tires too...i like my car for a nice daily driver and like to hit turns and touge a little...thats why i was interested in the whole brake set-up, now when choosing a wheel i want i light wheel, but can i go too light??

 

sweet ill have to check that out...