hey ive looked everywhere for the answer to my question but i cannot find it.
so heres what i wanna know,
can you put a b16a (cable clutch) head on a gsr; b18c1 bottom(hydraulic clutch)?
and if you do... do you use the hydro clutch or the cable clutch?
ive been told many different stories so if anyone has done this, help me out with making the right decision!
much appreciated

 

yes the head will fit on the block. you use the clutch that matches the transmission that your using. it does not matter which head or block your using

 

A b16 gen one head will fit on a gsr block, I'd not do that though, even in the debate of b16 and gsr head the p30 is used because the pr3 head isn't as good.

gen1 b16s are well junky. If you have to do a poor mans R setup like you are speaking of use a p30 b16 head. Frankly a GSR is better though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Max The Amazing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A b16 gen one head will fit on a gsr block, I'd not do that though, even in the debate of b16 and gsr head the p30 is used because the pr3 head isn't as good.

gen1 b16s are well junky. If you have to do a poor mans R setup like you are speaking of use a p30 b16 head. Frankly a GSR is better though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong!! First of all, there are only two b series vtec heads, pr3 and P72.

1st gen pr3 heads are the same as any other years of heads with the exception of the fact they were actually the strongest being made of the most dense material, Honda cut back a bit on the new heads. A pr3 head is the same used for the ITR with some very mild polish work and upgraded valves/springs.
The newer pr3 head found on p30 generation b16a's had better cams thats it!, the head itself is the same.

The gsr P72 head is good too with slightly more power on the lower end, little less on the higher. It has the advantage of a more direct air path from the intake manifold, thats why a good aftermarket company like Dart uses them. A p72 head is better for boost, its smaller sqaure quench area is less prone to detination.

 

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Wrong!! First of all, there are only two b series vtec heads, pr3 and P72.

1st gen pr3 heads are the same as any other years of heads with the exception of the fact they were actually the strongest being made of the most dense material, Honda cut back a bit on the new heads. A pr3 head is the same used for the ITR with some very mild polish work and upgraded valves/springs.
The newer pr3 head found on p30 generation b16a's had better cams thats it!, the head itself is the same.

The gsr P72 head is good too with slightly more power on the lower end, little less on the higher. It has the advantage of a more direct air path from the intake manifold, thats why a good aftermarket company like Dart uses them. A p72 head is better for boost, its smaller sqaure quench area is less prone to detination.
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You are right on the part they stamped pr3 in the whole series, I slipped up on that. b16 parts are so useless I must be forgetting them either from old age or cramming more useful info in my head.

A simple cleaning of the ports will let the p72 still out flow @ higher RPM while it stock moves better at lower revs.

GSR head is a better part, as you said your self Dart uses them for a reason.

 

so what you guys are saying is
use the gsr head and bottom?

or will the poor mans type r set up work?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hndasofst &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what you guys are saying is
use the gsr head and bottom?

or will the poor mans type r set up work?
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Either will work just fine. Since your in Calgary, let me know if you need a head i have a couple of each stlye sitting around here if interested. Both heads are good, the gsr does have a couple of advantages.

 

The b16 and gsr head are casted out of the same moldings, the gsr head and itr are jsut upgraded b16 heads.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91CRXed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The b16 and gsr head are casted out of the same moldings, the gsr head and itr are jsut upgraded b16 heads. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Bullshit buddy, get your facts straight!! Not true at all

The ITR and B16 heads are the same cast = PR3
GSR = P72

 

well i have a b16a installed in my rex already,
do you have a b18c1 block??
cuz id be interested in buying it!

 

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Bullshit buddy, get your facts straight!! Not true at all

The ITR and B16 heads are the same cast = PR3
GSR = P72</TD></TR></TABLE>
True story

the p72 casting and tooling is newer.

 

ok my bad im jsut saying from what i have learned here i guess my source of information was wrong, dont have a cow man

 

Max can't help it. He drives an LS1.

 

 

all are interchangeable, if they are b-series

 

what transmission would you guys recommend?

 

For a crx? Without question....any 1992-93 Integra vtec gearbox, the YS1

 

thats cable right?

 

Yes, it's cable. And btw, the block doesn't determine whether you use cable or hydro.

 

You can make all kinds of fun b series motors with the different b series blocks and heads out there....Thats half the fun. But the YS1 tranny is what you're looking for. Thats the tranny I have in my hatch and I love it.

 

ooo ok well since there are alot of people who seem to know what they are talking about i may as well have some other questions i have answered.
should i run obd0 or obd1?
and for either one which ecu do i use?

 

You can run either, but obd1 might end up being a little cheaper in the long run depending on what parts you already have. There is plenty of tuning software for either one.

 

I may be doing this setup "poormans type R" with the b18c bottom end and b16a head

Ive been trying to do some research but there isnt really an solid answers to my questions

Currently running a b16a and im planning on getting a b18c block which has bad piston rings i believe. Should i just run my PR3 pistons and use the stock rods off the gsr? rather than forking out more money on some ITR pistons. Also i would i have to get the block worked on as in re honed and all that? What else should i replace to have a reliable daily driven car?