Hello HT

Me and my friend decided and our daily driver needs to work 100% of the time since it gets us to work, so we're planning on buying a cheap EG to do our first HPDE driving together. Some quick questions for the more experienced:

1) Can two people register and take turns on one car? Any limitations?

2) What's your experience building one car with two people? Drama? How did you split the cost? etc etc. Write me a story

Any other input would be great!

 

I believe so but if your both in the same run group you will have to split the time and I think you will still have to pay full price not positive.

 

I wouldn't know, but if you can't find an answer here, NASA's forums would be a good place to find out. A director or event organizer would probably reply with an answer.

http://www.nasaproracing.com - go to their forums and check out the HPDE forum.

 

The NASA HPDE model is based on one car one driver. Doing it any other way will disservice the drivers. However if you are at different driving levels it can be done.

The best way to do it is alternate weekends.

Your region may vary.

 

What Grumpy said. Doing the same level HPDE with two people would be nearly impossible. You'd be better off either alternating weekends, or having one person drive more to get one group higher first. If you absolutely can't do that, do one day with one person, and one day with the other person, though I'm assuming this would require a special request to the event organizer. Another alternative would be to have one of you drive the DD and the other drive the dedicated HPDE car. Just put high-temp brake fluid and decent tires on the DD, call it a done deal.

Other than that, building a car with a friend is not always a great idea. Split cost 50/50 on the build, and have a camera in the car if at all possible to account for any on-track damage. If someone screws up, they should pay for it. If something else happens (engine fails, someone tags you, etc.) split repair 50/50. FWIW, I will not ever build a car with someone other than my girlfriend/wife.

Keep in mind too that if you guys are doing this together because you can't afford to put a car together individually, you may not want to be out there at all, because **** can happen. You ideally should be able to total the car on track, and walk away without being suddenly in financial ruin.

 

My wife and I co-campaign our autocross car, and we still fight about what to change or whatever. I couldn't imagine doing it with a friend, too much of a chance for it to go wrong and one of you would end up out of luck with no car, etc. At least when my wife and I are pissed at each other, we have to make up because we have to go home together.

 

I did this for a while back in the day. Few words of advice:
1. Make sure money will not get in the way of your friendship.
2. Don't ever think about quantifying your work or compare it with your friend. One person will always put more work than others. However, try to do the work together most of the time.
3. Split everything 50/50, down to the wire. Including cost, driving and everything!
4. When I mean everything, it includes on track accident. It doesn't matter who caused it or under who's hand. You're in it together and should shoulder all the problem together too.

Now about sharing the car in a NASA weekend or any other organization, you should run 2 seperate run group.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrie Hartanto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did this for a while back in the day. Few words of advice:
1. Make sure money will not get in the way of your friendship.
2. Don't ever think about quantifying your work or compare it with your friend. One person will always put more work than others. However, try to do the work together most of the time.
3. Split everything 50/50, down to the wire. Including cost, driving and everything!
4. When I mean everything, it includes on track accident. It doesn't matter who caused it or under who's hand. You're in it together and should shoulder all the problem together too.


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I whole heartedly agree with all of that except #4. Why should I pay for half when bonehead wrote the car off? You break it you buy it. This is why I don't share cars with people.

 

the problem with #4 is, what happen if someone else hits you? Who responsible for that?

What I'm trying to say is, this will be a joint effort. Everything should be shouldered together. The good, the bad and the ugly.

 

Andrie, I know you have experience with this (whereas my experience always stopped at the planning stages...luckily), so maybe I'm not thinking of this incorrectly. If one of the partners drives like a bonehead, mis-shifting, overrevving, etc., and consequently blows the engine, it doesn't seem like the other guy should have to pony up the money. Though, I guess to be totally fair, they'd have to each have their own car

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stinkycheezmonky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Andrie, I know you have experience with this (whereas my experience always stopped at the planning stages...luckily), so maybe I'm not thinking of this incorrectly. If one of the partners drives like a bonehead, mis-shifting, overrevving, etc., and consequently blows the engine, it doesn't seem like the other guy should have to pony up the money. Though, I guess to be totally fair, they'd have to each have their own car </TD></TR></TABLE>

While 'accidents' happen. I wouldn't consider sharing with anyone who I thought would have a chance to do the items mentioned. Andrie is right on target.

Personal experience - while not sharing 'financially', my best friend wanted me to use his ITA car to get my SCCA school & novice license out of the way, while I build my ITE (now ITR) car. Unfortunately, during the school, the block craced & kaboom! Jim wouldn't accept any money at all. I think part of the reason this worked was that I had spent many days (and continued to spend) helping him with various racing projects. I even took a day off to rebuild another motor before an event.

Eventually, I bought him his first set of new Hoosiers - WOW! So go figure - once my car was built, he bought me a set back

Friendship is great, working on cars together is great, but I don't know how many people are lucky enough to find someone who they can trust that money won't get in the way.

NOTE: If you build a car together, you can never run in the same class at the same time, and that is truley missing the fun of running these things with a buddy.

.02
BudMan &gt;&gt; who still tries to thank Batoutahell occaisionally