E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Squrtin DC2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Squrtin DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how come most GM's you can just pump it right into the car and dont have to get retuned...?</TD></TR></TABLE>because they arent tuned to begin with 
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Squrtin DC2)
lol. It's cuz the ECU is calibrated for 2 different fuel maps. The Ecu will know what fuel you are running by readings from many different sensors, and will adjust everything else co compensate. I'm talking about GM. Dont put E85 in your S2K, because your ignition/fuel timing/fuel enrichment isnt set up for it.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (97hb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97hb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tune for it and your golden. E85 FTW 
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Well, its a boost friendly fuel because it resists burning/detonation. If you're on aa higher boost setting (which, for S2000s isnt that much considering the compression of the engine), then it's a good fuel to use.
There really arent very many advantages of using it for an NA application. It has a lot less energy than gasoline as mentioned by someone else. So you're going to need more fuel to push the car the same amount. This causes increased fuel consumption for the reason that you will push the gas more to make the car move the same way you're used to making it move with gasoline. Im not talking about racing, but to get the same acceleration even in traffic, you're going to have to use more fuel.
The advantage to using E85 is that its cheaper (but you'll use more so the cost is offset), and it's less taxing on the environment.
I've driven a car with E85 without knowing it had E85 in it. I was wondering why the hell it felt so damn weak ***.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Well, its a boost friendly fuel because it resists burning/detonation. If you're on aa higher boost setting (which, for S2000s isnt that much considering the compression of the engine), then it's a good fuel to use.
There really arent very many advantages of using it for an NA application. It has a lot less energy than gasoline as mentioned by someone else. So you're going to need more fuel to push the car the same amount. This causes increased fuel consumption for the reason that you will push the gas more to make the car move the same way you're used to making it move with gasoline. Im not talking about racing, but to get the same acceleration even in traffic, you're going to have to use more fuel.
The advantage to using E85 is that its cheaper (but you'll use more so the cost is offset), and it's less taxing on the environment.
I've driven a car with E85 without knowing it had E85 in it. I was wondering why the hell it felt so damn weak ***.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (B serious)
all engines that use E85 are built different then a regular engine. If you use E85 in a regular engine, eventually all the fuel components will go bad. E85 is a higher octane, but it also gets less mpg then regular fuel. in other words don't use it if you don't want to destroy your engine.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (nolia3du)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nolia3du »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all engines that use E85 are built different then a regular engine. If you use E85 in a regular engine, eventually all the fuel components will go bad. in other words don't use it if you don't want to destroy your engine.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (97hb)
Is your vehicle E85 compatible? Click here...
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php
What is E85? Click here...
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php
What is E85? Click here...
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (nolia3du)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nolia3du »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is what I said misinformation
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Because you're wrong.
Current Honda motors are fine with running up to 60% ethanol. Any more would require different injectors to spray more of the less-flamable/higher octane ethanol, and an ECU to compensate for that.
Designed differently to accept E85? Nope, just different tuning. You can probably run a higher CR than pump gas.
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Because you're wrong.
Current Honda motors are fine with running up to 60% ethanol. Any more would require different injectors to spray more of the less-flamable/higher octane ethanol, and an ECU to compensate for that.
Designed differently to accept E85? Nope, just different tuning. You can probably run a higher CR than pump gas.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Squrtin DC2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Squrtin DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how come most GM's you can just pump it right into the car and dont have to get retuned...?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The margin of error for the ECU is broader; they're built and tested on shitty American gas, while our cars are supposed to get 93, yet have to deal with 91. GM's can run on 86 octane if they have to, it just runs rich to avoid pinging. They can use that same basemap on E85, it just ends up spraying more. ^^^
The margin of error for the ECU is broader; they're built and tested on shitty American gas, while our cars are supposed to get 93, yet have to deal with 91. GM's can run on 86 octane if they have to, it just runs rich to avoid pinging. They can use that same basemap on E85, it just ends up spraying more. ^^^
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (nolia3du)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nolia3du »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all engines that use E85 are built different then a regular engine. If you use E85 in a regular engine, eventually all the fuel components will go bad. E85 is a higher octane, but it also gets less mpg then regular fuel. in other words don't use it if you don't want to destroy your engine.
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Its METHANOL that will corrode your fuel system and everything in your engine that it touches. not ethanol.
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Its METHANOL that will corrode your fuel system and everything in your engine that it touches. not ethanol.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (nolia3du)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nolia3du »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You do know that when you buy a flex fuel engine its a different engine then stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<FONT SIZE="4">O RLY? </FONT>
My friend's wife has a new 06 Tahoe that accepts E85. It's the exact same motor that was in the 05. Tuned different? Yes. Completely different? GTFO.
Back your posts up.
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My friend's wife has a new 06 Tahoe that accepts E85. It's the exact same motor that was in the 05. Tuned different? Yes. Completely different? GTFO.
Back your posts up.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Mr. Projekt)
Well I guess my automotive teacher was wrong when he told us about flex fuel engines. I guess I'll have to tell him the seminar he went to was all wrong info.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Mr. Projekt)
"The primary differences from non-FFVs is the elimination of bare magnesium, aluminum, and rubber parts in the fuel system, the use of fuel pumps capable of operating with electrically conductive (ethanol) instead of non-conducting dielectric (gasoline) fuel, specially-coated wear-resistant engine parts, fuel injection control systems having a wider range of pulse widths (for injecting approximately 60% more fuel), the selection of stainless steel fuel lines (sometimes lined with plastic), the selection of stainless steel fuel tanks in place of terne fuel tanks, and, in some cases, the use of acid-neutralizing motor oil. For vehicles with fuel-tank mounted fuel pumps, additional differences to prevent arcing, as well as flame arrestors positioned in the tank's fill pipe, are also sometimes used."
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"The use of pure E85 in standard gasoline car engines may void the manufacturer's warranty, disrupt oxygenation control in fuel-injected cars, and result in power loss. It may also interfere with proper operation of the catalytic converter. E85 can also cause engine damage, since prolonged exposure to high concentrations of ethanol may corrode metal and rubber parts"
more misinformation for you.
Just a little info from the handouts he gave us in class
and
"The use of pure E85 in standard gasoline car engines may void the manufacturer's warranty, disrupt oxygenation control in fuel-injected cars, and result in power loss. It may also interfere with proper operation of the catalytic converter. E85 can also cause engine damage, since prolonged exposure to high concentrations of ethanol may corrode metal and rubber parts"
more misinformation for you.
Just a little info from the handouts he gave us in class
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (nolia3du)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nolia3du »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"The primary differences from non-FFVs is the elimination of bare magnesium, aluminum, and rubber parts in the fuel system, the use of fuel pumps capable of operating with electrically conductive (ethanol) instead of non-conducting dielectric (gasoline) fuel, specially-coated wear-resistant engine parts, fuel injection control systems having a wider range of pulse widths (for injecting approximately 60% more fuel), the selection of stainless steel fuel lines (sometimes lined with plastic), the selection of stainless steel fuel tanks in place of terne fuel tanks, and, in some cases, the use of acid-neutralizing motor oil. For vehicles with fuel-tank mounted fuel pumps, additional differences to prevent arcing, as well as flame arrestors positioned in the tank's fill pipe, are also sometimes used."
and
"The use of pure E85 in standard gasoline car engines may void the manufacturer's warranty, disrupt oxygenation control in fuel-injected cars, and result in power loss. It may also interfere with proper operation of the catalytic converter. E85 can also cause engine damage, since prolonged exposure to high concentrations of ethanol may corrode metal and rubber parts"
more misinformation for you.
Just a little info from the handouts he gave us in class</TD></TR></TABLE>
So translate it for me, to normal StupidEnglish.
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"The use of pure E85 in standard gasoline car engines may void the manufacturer's warranty, disrupt oxygenation control in fuel-injected cars, and result in power loss. It may also interfere with proper operation of the catalytic converter. E85 can also cause engine damage, since prolonged exposure to high concentrations of ethanol may corrode metal and rubber parts"
more misinformation for you.
Just a little info from the handouts he gave us in class</TD></TR></TABLE>
So translate it for me, to normal StupidEnglish.
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Re: E85 Can s2k run it ? Pros\Cons (Mr. Projekt)
in a flex fuel vehicle the fuel pump, fuel lines, injectors (basically the entire fuel system) are different from a regular gasoline engine. They put special coating on the pistons and cylinder walls, and valves then a regular engine. E85 is very corrosive to aluminum. Use it in your regular engine if you want to save a few cents, but I'm going to run 93 octane like honda wants me to, and not worry about my engine falling apart.
You buy a $30k car and your going to cheep out on gas. Just go get a kia and be done with it.
Mr. Projeckt just wanted to let you know that it wasn't misinformation. Those last comments where directed towards anyone who doesn't want to run the recommended fuel.
You buy a $30k car and your going to cheep out on gas. Just go get a kia and be done with it.
Mr. Projeckt just wanted to let you know that it wasn't misinformation. Those last comments where directed towards anyone who doesn't want to run the recommended fuel.