Just wondering if the EF people are using the '88 lca for RR and autoX?
My car had nasty oversteer until I took off the rear swaybar and I'm just wondering if the lca's are part of the problem.
I also suspect my rta bushings that I filled with urethane.

 

i'm no expert but i believe it's your rta bushing. why did you fill it with urethane? it can't do it's job now.

 

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thats most likely your issue. id also check your alignment.

 

Less rear swaybar = less oversteer. I wouldn't run without one though. Most EF's run a small or no front swaybar and a relatively large rear one, but it also depends on your spring rates. I use no front bar and a Suspension Techniques adjustable rear bar.

I use the heavier cast rear LCA's but that's because my shocks require that style.

 

My 90 is running early arms and it handles great. no oversteer or weird handling.

 

the function of the arms are identical.

looks elsewhere for your driving issues.

 

I filled the rta bushings after seeing the prothane and ES bushings but before I read others having snap oversteer with them
I was running no front bar and an eibach 22mm rear bar and it oversteered like mad so I tried it with no bars and it felt much better but I think the threshold was just raised.
Looks like we'll try cutting out as much of the urethane as possible.

 

how about just replacing them?

theyre not expensive. $60/pr.

 

cause they're not crx rta, they're from a '90-93 integra; I've never seen the teg ones sold seperately, not even from the factory.

 

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My car had nasty oversteer until I took off the rear swaybar and I'm just wondering if the lca's are part of the problem.
I also suspect my rta bushings that I filled with urethane.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Once you lower the car any of the so called advantage of the TypeR 88 CRX rear lca's have is gone. How are you driving the car that it is oversteering? Is this at an autocross event, track day or what? Also what springs and shocks are you running, also what tires?

 

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large trailing arm bushing (88-91 civic, 90-93 integra) PART NUMBER----&gt; 52385-SK7-N02



Modified by Lo-Buck EF at 12:46 AM 2/3/2007

 

There is no benefit to running early control arms. I just happen to be running a different shock than a Honda.

 

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this link might help you with your rta bushing problem:
http://www.performanceforum.co....html

 

I'm getting oversteer in autoX, lapping sessions, time attack, basically the natural tendancey of the car is to oversteer. I'm using 450lbs springs in the front and 350 in the rear.

thanks for the link 98SpecR; looks like a good solution.
I really look forward to seeing the difference in the car's attitude; hopefully it'll improve.

 

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Your setup should be fairly neutral for autoX and quite pushy at track speeds. It sounds like either your driving style needs refinement or there is something wrong in your alignment or your bushings are shot to hell.

FWIW, on my ITA CRX I run 500F 700R, no front bar, the large ST rear bar, and revalved Koni's and my car isn't "overly" loose.

Christian

 

What is your rear camber?

I had a year or so of fiddling with my rear spring and bar settings before I finally just went form -1.5 up to -2 degrees camber, and all my spinning problems went away.

 

I only have about -1.5 in the rear; I do think more negative camber would help but I still think the rta bushings need to be changed just to be sure.

What links are you using for the extra negative camber?

 

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FWIW, I'm running stock upper arms in the front and rear. On the EF chassis, you can get sufficient camber at a trackable ride height... adjustable arms are nice for added tuning ability but not necessary, imo.

Christian

 

Check your upper arms...if it's that nasty with only 350 and -1.5. You might be getting some camber changes going on in the rear end from bad upper arm bushings.

 

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there is no difference in the arms.

difference in the 88 crx is in the chassis. not the lca.

 

Tyson speaks the truth.. he's researched it very well.

I'm using Ingalls upper arms in the rear. A little more negative in the rear will help alot.