this is a questions specifically for those who have already gotten the hondata reflash. my question is... after getting the reflash, have u had to take ur car to the dealer for any warranty repairs? did they question u on it? did the say ur warranty was void for anything?

i know that there are alot of posts about the reflash and those with it and what not... im just wondering if any dealers have actually rejected the validity of the warranty due to the reflash. tax time is coming, and i am looking at dropping the car, as well as getting hte reflash and DCRH (if a local comes through for the cheap cheap ). so lemme know what ur thoughts are.

if the thread needs to be locked then thats cool, i just didnt come up with much when i did my search. lemme know guys and thanks in advance!

 

Honda is not able to see the reflash. It is a different code then what they use

 

where is the best place to buy the hondata reflash? thanks!

 

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Hondata does NOT recommend the DCRH with their reflash for the 06 Si. Apparently they didn't richen up the mixture enough so it could cause problems. I called them and spoke to two different reps who told me the exact same thing. Even though their website says you can have the RH, they don't recommend it. I couldn't believe it.

Call them if u don't believe me: (310) 782-8278

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You serious?.....

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You have to take out your ECU and take it to a Hondata dealer so they can send it to Hondata to be reflashed.


<FONT SIZE="3"> http://www.hondata.com </FONT>

 

how is honda not able to see the reflash when they hook it up to the diagnostics machine?

and yes, i know u have to pull the ecu and have it sent off. only takes a couple of days from what i hear.

well that sucks about the DCRH though. what header is the reflash set for since comptech hadnt released theirs when they initially wrote the program?

 

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Probably should stick with a shorty header (Comptech) and a high flow cat, then get an intake and exhaust and the reflash should put out some pretty good gains.

 

There was a dyno sheet of a Dynapack dynoed stock Si putting around 165 whp--the AFR from like 5000-7500 looked to be around 12.2 and then from 7500-8300 it looked like it dropped to around 11.5. Those numbers are extremely rich--just by leaning out the stock program to 12.8-13.2 you would pick up power. I doubt the DC race header is going to increase airflow enough to damage the motor with lean AFRs. I am assuming the Hondata reflash leans out the top end, I doubt it makes it richer than it is stock. Its already too rich as it is stock, OEMs do that just as a safety precaution--with AFRs that rich on an NA car they are using the fuel as a coolant in the CC--so if anyone runs shitty gas there is some breathing room safety wise.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16dcoe45 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it looked like it dropped to around 11.5. Those numbers are extremely rich--just by leaning out the stock program to 12.8-13.2 you would pick up power. I doubt the DC race header is going to increase airflow enough to damage the motor with lean AFRs. I am assuming the Hondata reflash leans out the top end, I doubt it makes it richer than it is stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting numbers, but i'm still debating as to whether or not adding the Hondata will make matters WORSE rather than better since Hondata doesn't recommend it with my application. The DC by itself won't do any damage to the motor, but the addition of the reflash might make matters worse if Hondata hasn't done their homework on AF ratio fluctuation regarding the addition of the RH. I can't settle for "possibilities" or "doubts" at this point because there's too much at stake. I don't really have 3 grand to just throw around on a new motor so I need concrete proof on whether or not the Hondata reflash will even be beneficial to this point.

 

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Hondata does NOT recommend the DCRH with their reflash for the 06 Si. Apparently they didn't richen up the mixture enough so it could cause problems. I called them and spoke to two different reps who told me the exact same thing. Even though their website says you can have the RH, they don't recommend it. I couldn't believe it.

Call them if u don't believe me: (310) 782-8278

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Per your advice, I called and spoke with Javiar, and you are spreading incorrect information. Had you actually called, you would know that the only reason they would advise against the DCRH and Hondata is because of the DCRH causing the CEL. It has ZERO to do with the A/F ration, ZERO to do with the tune or compatibility of the reflash and the DCRH. It has to do with the fact that they cannot 'recommend' the use of something that will cause a 'fail' come emission check time.

So to correct the information, get the DCRH, as the tune was BASED off of it, and will work very VERY well with the reflash. If you have to test for emissions, Hondata urges you to understand that with or WITHOUT the reflash, you WILL occur a CEL (MIL Eliminator or Defouler will help keep the CEL to a minimum).

Oh and BTW...
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Apparently they didn't richen up the mixture enough so it could cause problems.
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This statement alone is what caused me to look into your false claims. You need to learn up on the MAP and MAF sensors on our vehicles and how that makes the FG2 different when it comes to A/F ratios and the need to 'richen it up' as you speak of.
Older Honda's/Acura's are not the same as the the FG.


Modified by xlur8ed at 7:11 PM 2/2/2007

 

You people need to read there site and not spread incorrect information.

About the detection, can a dealer see my reflash?? In theory yes. In practice no. In you are concerned about warranty, research 'moss-magnuson'

 

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Per your advice, I called and spoke with Haviar (HAV-E-AIR), and you are spreading incorrect information. Had you actually called, you would know that the only reason they would advise against the DCRH and Hondata is because of the DCRH causing the CEL.
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Had you actually <U>read</U> my post you will know that i <U>DID</U> call Hondata....TWICE....and both times I was given the same incorrect information as you so eloquently put it..

Here let me help you.........

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Hondata does NOT recommend the DCRH with their reflash for the 06 Si. Apparently they didn't richen up the mixture enough so it could cause problems. I called them and spoke to two different reps who told me the exact same thing. Even though their website says you can have the RH, they don't recommend it. I couldn't believe it.
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They specifically stated the reason as being that the DCRH slightly leans out the motor of the FG2 and therefore they wouldn't recommend the reflash because they didn't program it for the correct A/F mixture. They never mentioned the MAF sensors nor the CEL issue or anything like that. Now that's what i was told. Any "incorrect information" that I may have accidentally passed was given to me directly by Hondata.

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You need to learn up on the MAP and MAF sensors on our vehicles and how that makes the FG2 different when it comes to A/F ratios
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Please educate me.......I was under the assumption that the MAF sensor calculates the correct A/F mixture based on the amount of air coming INTO the engine. How does it adjust according to exhaust flow??

 

I bet the guys who gave RICO_ the info were thinking the Si had the same engine as the 05-06 RSX-s, if so this is what hondata says about headers etc on the k20z1:

From Hondatas site:
What if you have modifications?

What will work well:

* Intakes (especially cold air intakes)
* Cat-Back exhausts
* Hondata Heatshield Intake manifold gaskets

What is not recommended:

* Stock Airbox
* Race header
* Race camshafts
* Forced induction

Check your catback exhaust carefully. The internal diameter of the rear muffler is often smaller than stock. If this is the case you will probably make less power than stock with more noise. It will work OK with a stock airbox but you will not see these advertised power gains, and you may feel a dip after VTEC.

If you have a race header you will run lean. This is not a result of the Hondata reflash. Even the stock ECU will run lean with a race header. If you intend to run race headers we recommend you upgrade to a Hondata K-Pro for the 05 RSX.

 

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I read that part to and I think that's where the confusion came in. It seems like the only logical explanation for it. But I could still be wrong.

 

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Had you actually <U>read</U> my post you will know that i <U>DID</U> call Hondata....TWICE....and both times I was given the same incorrect information as you so eloquently put it..
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ok so you called, I guess Hondata has a bunch of morons working there that cannot read their own blog of information.......You said you read it, so why you would call them 2 times for 2 different answers is beyond me?!?!

Taken from: http://www.hondata.com/reflash_06_civicsi.html

"The 06 Civic employs a mass air flow sensor that automatically adjusts the air-fuel ratio for increases in air flow from intakes and race headers. Race headers will not cause this engine to run lean."

I don't need to learn anymore about MAF's, as my point is solidified by that quote from HONDATA.

So you say you read this, and called TWICE, then why do you think they would put that plain as day on their own site?

 

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You said you read it, so why you would call them 2 times for 2 different answers is beyond me?!?!
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The answers weren't different.....they were the same from two different reps.

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Beats me! Maybe they made a mistake....I also called the dealer and the advisor told me it would make the engine run lean along with the two Hondata reps. Pretty convincing **** when 3 different sources tell you the exact same thing. I'll automatically discount the dealer since they'll pretty much tell you anything to discourage you from modding your car. So maybe it's possible i did get some bad info from the Hondata reps. I'll call again and find out later on and ask for "Javier".

 

.....blank stare.....

 

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The answers weren't different.....they were the same from two different reps.



Beats me! Maybe they made a mistake....I also called the dealer and the advisor told me it would make the engine run lean along with the two Hondata reps. Pretty convincing **** when 3 different sources tell you the exact same thing. I'll automatically discount the dealer since they'll pretty much tell you anything to discourage you from modding your car. So maybe it's possible i did get some bad info from the Hondata reps. I'll call again and find out later on and ask for "Javier".
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LOL thanks for the "Javier"...Being from the midwest, I don't see many hispanic names other than the obvious Jose's and whatnot.

I know you called twice and got the same answer, what I was saying was if you were told one thing by a HONDATA rep, then you must have been looking for a different answer or you wouldn't have called twice....

You don't need to call again, TOV and Hondata tuned off their SI with the DCRH/DC catback/IPS cams/reflash. There is nothing to worry about, unless someone decides to run 87 octane or other common sense no no's.

To the original poster of this thread, enjoy spending that tax money on some parts! The difference is amazing and very fun!!!!

 

Look at there web site, It says the tuned the reflash WITH the DCRH and other parts. Most of you guys overlook things and read stuff that is not correct and pass on bad info. Read twice before posting.

 

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You don't need to call again, TOV and Hondata tuned off their SI with the DCRH/DC catback/IPS cams/reflash. There is nothing to worry about, unless someone decides to run 87 octane or other common sense no no's.

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Well that's certainly very good news to hear as i will be looking forward to the reflash very shortly. Should I encounter any problems i'll be sure to give you the biggest flame riot of your life.....j/k . Thanx for the info.

Sorry for stealin your thunder OP.

 

aint nobody stealing my thunder... this is the reason for threads. for those who dont know, this is where to gather info about a specific topic. im glad that confusion was present, because then someone who doubted it went out and found correct info, or at least what they feel is correct. im still going to hold of for a bit longer and see how things go with the upcoming products, and maybe k-pro ::fingers crossed so tight they are in knots:: so i guess we'll see where it goes from here.

and xlur8ed, nice run against the lotus in ur vid

 

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Thanks sir