This year will be my first in trying some Auto X. It looks so much fun. I searched but couldnt find anything. Just wondered if you guys use your stock seatbelts during events or aftermarket harnesses? I have a 92 Civic and on the street in sharp turns i can feel myself moving around. And if i have stock seats, how are aftermarket harnesses usually mounted in the car? Thanks for the help

 

I think most people use the stock belts, at least in the beginning when you're just starting out.

I use my stock belt with one of these child seat locking clips. You can get them for about $5 and it helps keep tension on the lap portion of the seat belt.



You can also get a CG-Lock which does pretty much the same thing, only I'm sure it does it a bit better

http://www.cg-lock.com

 

With a stock seat belt, I just pull the belt across me to the length I want and twist the buckle end 1 or 2 times before snapping it in. That does the same thing as the CG-Lock and is free.

 

stock belts...im not hardcore enough yet to get racing seats/harness. in all honesty im so focused on the course/car that i cant even tell if im sliding in my seat or not lol. if u dont want to spend the money but want to be held in a lil tighter, just do the lil seatbelt trick ThoseDarnKids mentioned.

 

i use my stock belt with a turner belt

 

slide your seat all the way back, and pull your seatbelt tight until it locks. then slide your seat forward until you can't breathe. that will hold you in place.

it's much easier to steer when you aren't using your arms to hold yourself up.

 

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Thats what I do. Though, the stock leather in my GSR is so slippery that I still need to use my knees to hold myself in somewhat.

The next cheap option is to gut the stock seat. Remove the center of the seat padding, and you'll create mini pseudo-side bolsters.

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Another great idea, and a cheaper solution than a full harness.

 

IF you just starting out do what ThoseDarnKids said, it's a good trick

 

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Thanks for the idea! I tried it and seems like it'll work. I'll have to see how it works on a hard run on the course. Thanks for the replies everyone!

 

My wife and I upgraded to a set of Corbeau 3pt harnesses and the difference was night and day! They come with eyelet bolts that replace the stock seatbelt bolts, then to install the harnesses, you clip the harnesses into the eyelets. Takes only about 5 minutes to install and uninstall and you don't move in the seats at all.

 

i used a stock seat belt the first couple times out! it actually hurt my abs trying to stay planted in the seat. i moved up to a 3" harness, which helped but isn't really needed for an occasional autox car.

 

dont you **** get any ideas but- the sides of my knees are bruised as hell after an autox so i know what you mean about sliding around. if you have the money, get a harness.

 

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I looked those up, look good! Plus i was expecting more than $100 but their not near that. I'm tryin to picture this in my head, i can see where the two side bolts would mount, where does the third bolt for the straps that go over your head get mounted to?

 

I've long since thrown the mounting instructions away, but I believe the 3rd bolt replaces the bolt under the rear seat that attaches the lower part of the rear seatbelt. It's not an ideal angle, but it works. In my CRX which had no rear seats, we drilled holes in the floor pan in the hatch and mounted them with big washers. Haven't mounted them in the Si yet, but I should get to that soon.

I think they also have harnesses that clip into the rear seatbelt clasps as well. Makes for a little easier install.

 

For autox events, I'd recommend the Schroth 3 or 4 point harnesses. They're relatively cheap, and they keep you absolutely planted in your seat, stock seat or not.

Easy to install and adjust. Obviously for daily driving you'll use your OEM seatbelt, but next to good tires, keeping your butt planted in the seat will help your times out.

I remember the days of a raw left outside knee

The schroth will work in conjunction with the oem seatbelt hardware. With the Corbeaus I believe you might need to remove some seatbelt hardware, which is illegal in some classes. I could be wrong about that, though.

http://www.soloracer.com/schroth.html

 

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What he said
When I started autoxing I used the twisty-belt trick, then the cg-lock. Last year I put a Schroth in and love it. Bolts to the stock points, and when you're using the oem belts on the street, the Schroth just sits in the floor behind the seat.

 

where do the points for the lapbelt hook up to on the inside of the(center console) because the belt buckle is attached to the seat?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For autox events, I'd recommend the Schroth 3 or 4 point harnesses. They're relatively cheap, and they keep you absolutely planted in your seat, stock seat or not.

Easy to install and adjust. Obviously for daily driving you'll use your OEM seatbelt, but next to good tires, keeping your butt planted in the seat will help your times out.

I remember the days of a raw left outside knee

The schroth will work in conjunction with the oem seatbelt hardware. With the Corbeaus I believe you might need to remove some seatbelt hardware, which is illegal in some classes. I could be wrong about that, though.

http://www.soloracer.com/schroth.html</TD></TR></TABLE>

aah, very nice! A little more pricey than the Corbeau's but i was thinking the same thing. It would be a pain in the butt to change the belts each time. I like this! Is that the best price you've seen though?

 

Like others have mentioned, i started out using the "twisting the belt" trick. It worked ok, but my knees were still banging the colsole and door.
For your first few times out, i'm sure this will be sufficient.
However i recently upgraded to a harness. (i actually bought it used from my friend) but it is made by RCI and you can get it from JEGS or ebay or wherever for about 65 bucks. It comes as a 6pt harness, but you don't need to bother with the submarine belts. I mounted it to the stock seatbelt mounting points (on either side of the seat for the lap belts and then in the back seat for the two that come over the shoulder.
This way, you can use the harness for autox but keep your regular OEM belts for the street. Whole install took about 45 min.

BUT: whatever you do, DO NOT WEAR THE HARNESS ON THE STREET!!!!!! it is dangerous.

Good luck and have fun!

 

only thing about the 4 point belts is they will start to creep up when tightned down

 

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I got mine used on ebay, and they show up pretty regularly; there's also a used one in the HT classifieds right now.

 

Im still a newbie but I do want some sport seats and a harness eventually, Im just going to get one seat and one harness just to do track events.

 

use your stock seat belts. heres a trick, sit in the seat, pull the belt tight against yourself. then pull the belt out quick, it locks so your belt is tight holding you in.

 

I bought a $14 G-force torso harness, and I just wear it around my waist over the seat belt. It works great for autox, and I can just throw it in my junk box when I'm done.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MXS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">slide your seat all the way back, and pull your seatbelt tight until it locks. then slide your seat forward until you can't breathe. that will hold you in place.

it's much easier to steer when you aren't using your arms to hold yourself up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This works much better for me too than the belt twisting technique. I have to see it to do it right and once in a while need a refresher.
I've used that one for a few years now as an occasional autocrosser.

fireant- Glad you got yours (Gforce torso harness) to work, Seats in the WRX didn't allow me to use it correctly so it sits in my AutoX box.

Miss my WRX pic:
Three wheeled a lot when it had huge sawys on it and a stock suspension


I have heard that the Scroth harnesses are night and day differnce too but too cheap to do that now.

I also will have leather seats for autox'ng this year. wonder if a grippy rubber mat or somekind on the seat will help.