What are the obstacles to an h22a swap?
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What are the obstacles to an h22a swap?
Ive been considering what to save up for to drop into my rex(91 hf). I really want to put an h22a into it, but i would like to know what are any common problems/extra work that may come up to accomplish a complete swap?
I know i could put a b16 or another D series (currently has a d16z6) but i want that little(lot) extra.
I have a love for preludes, but i also love my crx... oh god. id like to combin the two some but basically im looking at if i cant get the h22a into my rex and get my car built to where i like it, ill just buy a whole prelude and sell off the crx.
BUT, if theres any ways for me to make my little car into something, then im keeping it (i love it so)
So then, what is there to it for dropping an h22a into a 91 crx hf?
I know i could put a b16 or another D series (currently has a d16z6) but i want that little(lot) extra.
I have a love for preludes, but i also love my crx... oh god. id like to combin the two some but basically im looking at if i cant get the h22a into my rex and get my car built to where i like it, ill just buy a whole prelude and sell off the crx.
BUT, if theres any ways for me to make my little car into something, then im keeping it (i love it so)
So then, what is there to it for dropping an h22a into a 91 crx hf?
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (e jay one)
check this one out looks like theres cutting and welding involved. it made me laugh when i saw the tiny tranny.
http://www.ef-honda.com/main/viewtopic.php?t=25980
http://www.ef-honda.com/main/viewtopic.php?t=25980
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (e jay one)
not as much work as people say, and not really a lot of money. well it depends on how you go about doing it. if you go H2B with the quartersports kit its a bit more work but the mounts and axles are all drop in B-series, with exception of needing a b-series drop in kit. very good setup and i have a freind with a DX crx with stock h2b and he ran 12.3 1/4 mile on slick. full interior.
now if you want to go all H, Innovative makes a drop in kit. so then you have to buy a h22a changeover with trans.
remove the crank pulley and have the power steering part of the pulley machined off because otherwise it will hit the frame. then you either need a alternator bracket (explicitspeed) or you can run the stock one and cut part of the headlight assmbly. you also need custom length axles. not too hard to get or i can sell you some if you need them. not too expensive. you also need a shift linkage which is available anywhere. mounting the linkage is pretty easy just cut a hole for it and bolt it in, run the cables and there you go. also you will need a new crossmember, innovative or similar because motor won't clear the bulky stock crossmember. wiring jumper to use a obd 1 ecu p28 or similar. extend a few wires, either change to hydro pedal or use a clutch actuator (included in the innovative kit) ( a few little things more maybe but you get the general idea. (not too complicated). VERY worth it. i have the same setup in my crx HF. love it.
now if you want to go all H, Innovative makes a drop in kit. so then you have to buy a h22a changeover with trans.
remove the crank pulley and have the power steering part of the pulley machined off because otherwise it will hit the frame. then you either need a alternator bracket (explicitspeed) or you can run the stock one and cut part of the headlight assmbly. you also need custom length axles. not too hard to get or i can sell you some if you need them. not too expensive. you also need a shift linkage which is available anywhere. mounting the linkage is pretty easy just cut a hole for it and bolt it in, run the cables and there you go. also you will need a new crossmember, innovative or similar because motor won't clear the bulky stock crossmember. wiring jumper to use a obd 1 ecu p28 or similar. extend a few wires, either change to hydro pedal or use a clutch actuator (included in the innovative kit) ( a few little things more maybe but you get the general idea. (not too complicated). VERY worth it. i have the same setup in my crx HF. love it.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (hondafiend)
there are a few options now for weld in mounts. hasport finally has them, and a couple people around here fab them on request. so i would deffinetly go this route, rather than having to build the mounts and align the engine in the bay yourself.
second, the wiring is also non-trivial as far as i know. Rywire can hook you up with a wiring conversion that will be like an oem setup.
its definitely not as hard as it used to be, but it will cost you a lot of money, and the mounts still have to be welded in. there is also shift linkage and cross member that you have to buy to get it all to fit. and im not sure if youll need custom axles or if someone, probably hasport, makes axles that you can just buy.
either way, i personnally wouldnt put in an h22 for the fact that you could probably go k series for a few thousand more. if you already have an h22 though, go for it. you wont know what to do with all the torque.
second, the wiring is also non-trivial as far as i know. Rywire can hook you up with a wiring conversion that will be like an oem setup.
its definitely not as hard as it used to be, but it will cost you a lot of money, and the mounts still have to be welded in. there is also shift linkage and cross member that you have to buy to get it all to fit. and im not sure if youll need custom axles or if someone, probably hasport, makes axles that you can just buy.
either way, i personnally wouldnt put in an h22 for the fact that you could probably go k series for a few thousand more. if you already have an h22 though, go for it. you wont know what to do with all the torque.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (sanimalp)
I wouldn't want a H22 EF for daily driving. There is very limited space and maintanace would be a bitch.
Every book I have on the subject says the same...
Every book I have on the subject says the same...
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (sanimalp)
you don't have to weld in the Innovative kit. it bolts to where the stock battery tray is. its just safer to put a few small beads around it to secure it. and the other mounts are bolt it. its only the passenger side that you have to weld, and not even weld all the way just in a few spots to add rigidity. and as for daily driving why not?? i daily drive mine. 40 miles plus daily. no problems unless you call 220 whp a problem in a car that weighs 2000 lbs. and axles are very available, i can get them all day long. if anyone needs them you can PM me and i'll give you prices, VERY affordable. its not that difficult of a swap and yes you can go K for few THOUSAND more, with a few THOUSAND i can build a SICK h22. and if a stock H22 with H2b in a DX daily driver can rip 12.3 all day long untuned then i dont see why you wouldnt want to go with the H, but hey everyone is an H hater on this site anyway.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (hondafiend)
I'm saying I wouldn't want to daily it due to the fact it is a total pain in the *** to work on. I've seen H22 CRX's at the local meet I attend and there is no way in hell I would want to do simple maintanance on it. There is NO room left in the bay for any kind of comfort in working on the car.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (Tippyman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm saying I wouldn't want to daily it due to the fact it is a total pain in the *** to work on. I've seen H22 CRX's at the local meet I attend and there is no way in hell I would want to do simple maintanance on it. There is NO room left in the bay for any kind of comfort in working on the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do.
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (hondafiend)
http://www.ExplicitSpeedPerformance.net helpful info on the H22A EF swap and a place to purchase the motor mount kit... 
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (ESP-net)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ESP-net »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.ExplicitSpeedPerformance.net helpful info on the H22A EF swap and a place to purchase the motor mount kit... </TD></TR></TABLE>
for sure i looked at your site a long time ago and there is a TON of info. great resource! and great parts!
</TD></TR></TABLE>for sure i looked at your site a long time ago and there is a TON of info. great resource! and great parts!
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (Tippyman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't want a H22 EF for daily driving. There is very limited space and maintanace would be a bitch.
Every book I have on the subject says the same...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have one as a daily driver. My prelude sits in the garage. Maintenance is not that bad.
It is totally fine for a daily driver. I'm using a h-tranny. I'd say skip the Hasport kit and find a quality shop to do the mounts for you. Hasport's "use the d-series accessories" approach is not working to my satisfaction. Also my "race" mounts with the stiffest rubber still let the engine move enough that at my last trip to the dragstrip wheelhop was able to smash my IM into the firewall and break my TPS! I'm redoing the install and having Blacktrax do my mounts from scratch.
Every book I have on the subject says the same...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have one as a daily driver. My prelude sits in the garage. Maintenance is not that bad.
It is totally fine for a daily driver. I'm using a h-tranny. I'd say skip the Hasport kit and find a quality shop to do the mounts for you. Hasport's "use the d-series accessories" approach is not working to my satisfaction. Also my "race" mounts with the stiffest rubber still let the engine move enough that at my last trip to the dragstrip wheelhop was able to smash my IM into the firewall and break my TPS! I'm redoing the install and having Blacktrax do my mounts from scratch.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (hondafiend)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondafiend »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, e-thug.
I speccifically stated that I have seen a couple in person and would not want to own one. If someone else wants to, that's fine, but I would not.
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, e-thug.
I speccifically stated that I have seen a couple in person and would not want to own one. If someone else wants to, that's fine, but I would not.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (Tippyman)
Do h22 crx have shake problem like a lot of people complaining about h22 eg hatch? No question ask that h22 crx is fast in the quarter mile with slicks but how it is do in auto crossing? Thanks for the info
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (Iron_Forrix)
I have a build thread in the hybrid section. Mine is for racing though - so it's missing a few luxuries. Heaps of fun - but it is abit limited on room.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1717441
Some vids in there near the end I think. Awesome for racing - and it still runs standard suspension (with an inch cut out
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Good luck man!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1717441
Some vids in there near the end I think. Awesome for racing - and it still runs standard suspension (with an inch cut out
)Good luck man!
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (hondafiend)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondafiend »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>
sup erick!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
.Ok, e-thug </TD></TR></TABLE>
how? was he making threats? are you offended by the truth?
and to the OP just do it you will not regret it
hey eric where is the h22 crx(race car)?
So you've never had an h22 or even worked on one before? do you know how to work on one? and all of your info is from a book? come on. how can you say anything about something you have no experience with, some things like doing a timing belt are a little difficult but not more than a h22 in an EG, its not that tight of a fit. and what kind of simple maintenance is so difficult? spark plugs? oil change? EASY same as any other honda, axle change? same, removing head? same..... so what kind of simple maintenance is so hard?? even dropping the motor in isn't bad.. you can drop the motor and trans with even the rear bracket bolted all together as one peice in and out pretty easily, that doesn't sound like too tight of a fit to me. please if you have no experiece doing an actual swap don't talk like you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>
sup erick!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
.Ok, e-thug </TD></TR></TABLE>
how? was he making threats? are you offended by the truth?
and to the OP just do it you will not regret it
hey eric where is the h22 crx(race car)?
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (Hamstr323)
alphajesse went with the H sport kit I believe and had some problems with it...(sorry to hear bout the trouble)...
If you want an EF h22 swap you come to us for the parts... there is a LOT of advantages with our EF h22 kit over the competition...our kit requires NOO firewall hitting...clears TPS no problems...You can use the stock hood with no modification...our kit requires 1 custom axle not 2...our kit uses the better combo of Accord midshaft and Integra axles...preludes have been known to cause problems...our axle alignment is perfecto...our kits are made out steel...stronger then aluminum...our kit is also a fraction of the price of the listed competitors kit...it's a no brainer...You have the option to purchase the Package Deal witch is the EF H22A motor mount kit with goodies and the EF H22A specially made traction bar system. Stock cross member wont work...
This swap isn't for the average joe...it requires some work and the love of torque and HP...It's about a 4 out of 5 swap...it was my 2nd swap...similar process to K swap...if you ever been in a h22 lude you will ask your self well I wonder what this engine would do in a CRX...well with ebay bolt ons, p13 untuned...bald street tires a customer just went 13.3@104 mph...so will 12's be really hard to get with a massaged h22? no...we are shooting for 12's this year street tires...As far as weight don't believe the hype...my h22 rex weighs in at 2020 lbs without me in it...
My EF H22 is my daily driver and has been for almost 2 years now...more then a dozen passes on the track with not a damn problem...as if it came from the factory this way...
If you want an EF h22 swap you come to us for the parts... there is a LOT of advantages with our EF h22 kit over the competition...our kit requires NOO firewall hitting...clears TPS no problems...You can use the stock hood with no modification...our kit requires 1 custom axle not 2...our kit uses the better combo of Accord midshaft and Integra axles...preludes have been known to cause problems...our axle alignment is perfecto...our kits are made out steel...stronger then aluminum...our kit is also a fraction of the price of the listed competitors kit...it's a no brainer...You have the option to purchase the Package Deal witch is the EF H22A motor mount kit with goodies and the EF H22A specially made traction bar system. Stock cross member wont work...
This swap isn't for the average joe...it requires some work and the love of torque and HP...It's about a 4 out of 5 swap...it was my 2nd swap...similar process to K swap...if you ever been in a h22 lude you will ask your self well I wonder what this engine would do in a CRX...well with ebay bolt ons, p13 untuned...bald street tires a customer just went 13.3@104 mph...so will 12's be really hard to get with a massaged h22? no...we are shooting for 12's this year street tires...As far as weight don't believe the hype...my h22 rex weighs in at 2020 lbs without me in it...
My EF H22 is my daily driver and has been for almost 2 years now...more then a dozen passes on the track with not a damn problem...as if it came from the factory this way...
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (ESP-net)
just do the swap and u will be pleased i guarntee that. with crome program u will have roughly 190-200whp and 155-160 lb-ft torque stock with I/H/E BTW i have first ever HATCH/REX with h22a, the swap was done back in 2000 roughly for about 12G's at that time. the torque is unbelievable.
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Re: What are the obstacles to an h22a swap? (ESP-net)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ESP-net »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alphajesse went with the H sport kit I believe and had some problems with it...(sorry to hear bout the trouble)...
If you want an EF h22 swap you come to us for the parts... there is a LOT of advantages with our EF h22 kit over the competition...our kit requires NOO firewall hitting...clears TPS no problems...You can use the stock hood with no modification...our kit requires 1 custom axle not 2...our kit uses the better combo of Accord midshaft and Integra axles...preludes have been known to cause problems...our axle alignment is perfecto...our kits are made out steel...stronger then aluminum...our kit is also a fraction of the price of the listed competitors kit...it's a no brainer...You have the option to purchase the Package Deal witch is the EF H22A motor mount kit with goodies and the EF H22A specially made traction bar system. Stock cross member wont work...
This swap isn't for the average joe...it requires some work and the love of torque and HP...It's about a 4 out of 5 swap...it was my 2nd swap...similar process to K swap...if you ever been in a h22 lude you will ask your self well I wonder what this engine would do in a CRX...well with ebay bolt ons, p13 untuned...bald street tires a customer just went 13.3@104 mph...so will 12's be really hard to get with a massaged h22? no...we are shooting for 12's this year street tires...As far as weight don't believe the hype...my h22 rex weighs in at 2020 lbs without me in it...
My EF H22 is my daily driver and has been for almost 2 years now...more then a dozen passes on the track with not a damn problem...as if it came from the factory this way... </TD></TR></TABLE>
My hatch weighs 2370 without me in it, full interior, no spare tire/tool removal and 3/4 tank of gas.
The Hasport kit required that I space up a VIS SiR-style hood, I still don't know what the hell they recommend people use for a hood with their kit.
If you want an EF h22 swap you come to us for the parts... there is a LOT of advantages with our EF h22 kit over the competition...our kit requires NOO firewall hitting...clears TPS no problems...You can use the stock hood with no modification...our kit requires 1 custom axle not 2...our kit uses the better combo of Accord midshaft and Integra axles...preludes have been known to cause problems...our axle alignment is perfecto...our kits are made out steel...stronger then aluminum...our kit is also a fraction of the price of the listed competitors kit...it's a no brainer...You have the option to purchase the Package Deal witch is the EF H22A motor mount kit with goodies and the EF H22A specially made traction bar system. Stock cross member wont work...
This swap isn't for the average joe...it requires some work and the love of torque and HP...It's about a 4 out of 5 swap...it was my 2nd swap...similar process to K swap...if you ever been in a h22 lude you will ask your self well I wonder what this engine would do in a CRX...well with ebay bolt ons, p13 untuned...bald street tires a customer just went 13.3@104 mph...so will 12's be really hard to get with a massaged h22? no...we are shooting for 12's this year street tires...As far as weight don't believe the hype...my h22 rex weighs in at 2020 lbs without me in it...
My EF H22 is my daily driver and has been for almost 2 years now...more then a dozen passes on the track with not a damn problem...as if it came from the factory this way...
</TD></TR></TABLE>My hatch weighs 2370 without me in it, full interior, no spare tire/tool removal and 3/4 tank of gas.
The Hasport kit required that I space up a VIS SiR-style hood, I still don't know what the hell they recommend people use for a hood with their kit.
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