WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK I HAVE LS VTEC TURBO DYNOED 6.5 PSI ON DYNAMETER

AT FIRST WE DYNOED WITH CROME PRO AND MY CAR RAN LIKE **** KEPT BOGGING.MY EK RAN LIKE **** WITH CROME PRO AND SO I BORROWED MY FRIENDS ECU WITH HONDATA S300 WITH MY BASEMAP, NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE. BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. MY AIR FUEL WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH CROME, AND NOW WITH THE HONDATA S300, STABLE A/F. STILL NEED TO UP THE BOOST TO 10 ILBS AND DYNO
MY MIND WAS SET SO I SAID SCREW IT, ORDERED HONDATA S300.
DYNO RESULTS 240WHP 183 TQ
Here is my setup,
96 HONDA CIVIC CX HB LS VTEC-T
B18B1 BLOCK
WISECO FORGED 8:8:1 FORGED PISTONS
EAGLE H BEAM RODS
B16 HEAD
FERRAE VALVES
GSR S80 TRANNY WITH ITR LSD,
RC 550CC
Was tuned with Crome Pro Now Hondata s300 soon to come P28 ecu
WALBRO 255LPH
AEM FUEL RAIL
Turbonetics T3/T04E 57 trim turbo
Drag High flow 4 into 1 exhaust manifold
CX Racing FMIC 29"x11"x3
HKS SSQ bov
Tial Wastegate with dumptube
2.5 Downpipe
No Cat
5ZIGEN FIREBALL FULL CATBACK EXHAUST


Modified by PnoyEj6 at 8:14 PM 1/19/2007


Modified by PnoyEj6 at 8:29 PM 1/19/2007

 

Congrats Any graphs, engine bay pics, future plans?

 

list the mods to the motor and what head your using.. im just curious because im in the process of my build.. also using the wiseco 8.8

thats pretty good power for 6.5psi, whats your goal on the setup.. im aiming for 400 and yea hondata is the way to go!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PnoyEj6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK I HAVE LS VTEC TURBO DYNOED 6.5 PSI ON

AT FIRST WE DYNOED WITH CROME PRO AND MY CAR RAN LIKE **** KEPT BOGGING ,CROME SUCKS, SO I SAID SCREW IT.
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I would've definitley kept that out of the post. Sounds like somone didn't know how to use it. You can't blame the program for user error or inexperience with the program.

And really without a dyno chart, not much we can say.

 

Sorry guys, I will post dyno charts. I still need to get them from the tuner and my car is still at shop because speedo not working and still waiting for hondata to arrive.

 

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Who is tuning the car? I don't understand what the problem was with crome?

There aren't hundreds of cars running on it if it sucks..

i am NOT bashing your decision to go to hondata, it is also a great tuning tool. Just not to sure what the deal was with crome?

 

I dont know whats wrong with Crome. I didnt feel comfortable driving with Crome, it felt my car was losing power when i hit boost. It was like night and day difference with the switch and plus I made 50whp with hondata s300.I know hondata is very pricey but You cant go wrong with hondata s300 You get what you pay for. I used to run Crome Pro on my old turbo db8 and I blew the motor within a year. It was a well know tuner in the bay area who tuned the car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PnoyEj6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know whats wrong with Crome. I didnt feel comfortable driving with Crome, it felt my car was losing power when i hit boost. It was like night and day difference with the switch and plus I made 50whp with hondata s300.I know hondata is very pricey but You cant go wrong with hondata s300 You get what you pay for. I used to run Crome Pro on my old turbo db8 and I blew the motor within a year. It was a well know tuner in the bay area who tuned the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

To be honest.. there is nothing wrong with crome. Sounds like you have a tuner issue.

 

I agree, there is nothing wrong with crome. I think you should blame your tuner and not crome.

 

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While this is sorta true and Crome does have some bugs that you just kinda have to 'deal with', you really can't blame it for your motor blowing. That relies on the tuner to give you a competent tune, no matter what tool he's using. It's not like Crome one day screwed up and blew your motor, that's probably the last thing i'd expect.

 

Crome rocks
nuff said..

IMO those numbers arent really that impressive...
my buddies BONE stock LS with 300k on it made 255whp and 222 tq

and another friend with a bone stock LS made 302whp and 230 tq

 

how was your afr all over the place with crome? Sounds like tuner error to me...its espescially easy to tune some 550's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Topdawgg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crome rocks
nuff said..

IMO those numbers arent really that impressive...
my buddies BONE stock LS with 300k on it made 255whp and 222 tq

and another friend with a bone stock LS made 302whp and 230 tq</TD></TR></TABLE>
How many pounds of boost was your buddy running? Yea it seems like tuner issue. I will bring to a more reliable tuner LIke DNR performance or Redzone, once i get my hondata s300 in. I was only boosting 6.5 psi with that power bro. COme on. NOt that impressive. Waiting till i up the boost to 10 pounds. 6.5 pounds is just low boost. I want 10 pounds, just never had a chance to up, since i need boost controller

 

good i guess....turn the boost up some. You seem to have a really solid build, and LOW comp pistons and a huge intercooler with little power....crank that baby up

 

those numbers look kinda low ESPECIALLY for a built motor, TURN UP THE BOOST , and use a damn good tuner. my bone stock gsr motor is making 316whp @11psi, off the wastegate with 6lb. spring around 5psi it made lil over 270 , with a t3/t04

and TURN THE BOOST up...lol i was pushing 19psi on 93 octane with over 400whp with a sc61 on a LS motor

 

you cant blame a program for a lousy basemap...lol

 

yea, i will turn up the boost 10psi daily driver. hopefully see 300whp.

 

... crome is perfectly fine... i had hondata .. neptune * which i hated* etcc its all on the tuner and how comfortable they are with using crome. if they dont know how to use it they wont tune well with it. who tuned your motor ?

redzone .. we got multiple street cars makin 300-400 WHP on crome and every all motor car. we specialize in crome tuning.

 

yes, chrome is fine but theres always a downfall on a chrome or uberdata... "**** load of glictches"... so u never know whats gonna happen. yes, hondata s300 is lot better than a chrome... plus lot better throttle response. almost same as aem ems at a half price!

 

^^ thats personal opinion...

uberdate, yes.... it had problems and glitches all over the place...

Ive never seen Crome have ONE PROBLEM..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... crome is perfectly fine... i had hondata .. neptune * which i hated* etcc its all on the tuner and how comfortable they are with using crome. if they dont know how to use it they wont tune well with it. who tuned your motor ?

redzone .. we got multiple street cars makin 300-400 WHP on crome and every all motor car. we specialize in crome tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
just curious...what did you hate about neptune? I still havent gotten around to tuning any setups on it yet. I've only heard good things about it so far. So i'm curious to see if there are any downsides to it.

 

every car we've had or customers tune on it always had a hiccup problem and bogging issue.

possible tuning error. but the tuner is a good tuner, made lots of power on many diffrent setups. and more advance programs. So i dont know what to say about it except. i didnt like it. another customer didnt like it. and another individual came through and said their friend was tuned on it and had the same bogging issue.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">every car we've had or customers tune on it always had a hiccup problem and bogging issue.

possible tuning error. but the tuner is a good tuner, made lots of power on many diffrent setups. and more advance programs. So i dont know what to say about it except. i didnt like it. another customer didnt like it. and another individual came through and said their friend was tuned on it and had the same bogging issue. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Neptune is just different from the other programs. It is a very good program once you get use to it, it has a little steeper learning curve than some of the other programs. But the best advantage is all the features work, and you can actually control idle with it which is nice. The biggest difference is the fuel multipliers are a different value than what would be put into crome or uberdata. You just have to read over the help section on the website to learn the functionality.

Also, lets not turn this into a crome vs whatever thread. They all work, even uberdata. It is almost always user error or familiarity with the program they are using. Everyone has a personal preference which is just fine. But to say that a known good program sucks, just shows lack of initiative or research to learn the basics. But that is just my opinion and is not directed to anyone in particular in this thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1slwcoupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, chrome is fine but theres always a downfall on a chrome or uberdata... "**** load of glictches"... so u never know whats gonna happen. yes, hondata s300 is lot better than a chrome... plus lot better throttle response. almost same as aem ems at a half price! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't say crome has a shitload of bugs until you've actually given it a shot. Very few EMS's are meant to plug & play w/o changing any settings. There's a reason tuners get paid a lot, because tuning isn't for everyone.

The only time I had good luck with uber was when I toiled with it for &gt;20 hrs per car. Eventually I got it to idle perfect (780cc injectors) and run fine. With crome, I stuck it in the car with a good basemap, w/in 5 mins I was running great AFR's. My guess is your tuner (and that of the other crome ecu) tried messing with too many settings at once.

I'd suggest getting the speedo hooked up and trying crome again. Also make sure the settings are all correct, as some are obviously different from a p30 to p28 to p72, etc. Just an FYI, my brother has a b16a2's eg, crome won't work very well on it since its missing the IAT, but uber does. Main point being, you should have the car in top shape before running high boost & tuning with an ems.

 

one reason was my boggin issue with crome pro. Plus crome was glichy since my speedo wont work. Hondata s300 just pull much better with no bog or hesitation. What can i say? Hondata s300 won me. Yea im trying to look for a better hondata tuner in bay area. Its too late now, I already ordered hondata s300 and have a virgin p28 ecu ready to be socketed. Ill stick with hondata for now. COme on guys you all know hondata is one of the best out there in terms of standalone expecially when it comes to boosted applications.