can a dizzy go bad over night?
the motor/wiring is all stock 95 dx...the car started and drove perfectly fine yesterday...no bogs or stutters or CELs...i went to do a compression check this morning since im planning to sell the motor and replaced the spark plugs as well since the old ones were pretty worn down...180 comp. across the board....put everything back and the motor wouldnt catch...
the first time i checked for spark i got it....getting gas as well...checked all the fuses,checked the timing and listened for the injector clicking...all spot on...i checked for spark again and now im not getting any spark at all...i did a quick check to see if its getting power to the dizzy and it is..
we have a 99 ex civic at the shop...can i use the dizzy from that to check if thats my problem? i believe i heard that you need to rewire them...if thats the case i can just swap connectors real quick unless they use different sized pins...any input would be appreciated...

 

anybody out there

 

see if the internals of the dizzy are the same. i think the plugs are different though. somebody correct me.

 

don't expletive up a good dizzy from an obd2 car just to test it....
ok, first off, how did you check your compression? Most of the time you will take out the ECU fuse so you don't have gas going into the cylinders while testing. That will kill the power to the dizzy...

 

Also you need to disable the spark. If you just pulled off the wires and let them sit there you might have fried the coil. The coil's design is to build up then release(as in spark) now if you did not let the spark occur it builds up and then burns up.

Next time you need to put all the wires next to a ground so the spark still occurs.

 

id say coil. or just simply forgot to put back something stupid from when u did the teast. would double check everything. wait triple that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't expletive up a good dizzy from an obd2 car just to test it....
ok, first off, how did you check your compression? Most of the time you will take out the ECU fuse so you don't have gas going into the cylinders while testing. That will kill the power to the dizzy...</TD></TR></TABLE>
how would i mess it up if all i do is repin the connectors?
usually i disconnect the dizzy and injectors but i didnt this time...i just removed all the plug wires...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thesmogman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also you need to disable the spark. If you just pulled off the wires and let them sit there you might have fried the coil. The coil's design is to build up then release(as in spark) now if you did not let the spark occur it builds up and then burns up.

Next time you need to put all the wires next to a ground so the spark still occurs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
can i test the coil? if its burnt is it replacable or do i need a new dizzy?
can you elaborate on putting all the wires by a ground for spark to occur?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by postman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id say coil. or just simply forgot to put back something stupid from when u did the teast. would double check everything. wait triple that</TD></TR></TABLE>

everything is in the correct place....all i did was remove the spark plugs and put new ones in after the compression test...

thanks for the help guys

any word on what needs to be done to use an obd2 dizzy in an obd1 car?

 

Cranking with the spark plugs wires disconnected kills Dizzy's. Looks like an expensive mistake. You could have killed the coil or ignitor. If you'd unplugged the big connection on the dizzy, it wouldn't have gotten hurt.

OBD2 and and OBD1 Dizzy's are pretty much the same. All you have to do is re-pin the connectors. I want the other way though, OBD1 dizzy on an OBD2 wiring harness.

 

If you dont unplug the dist you fry the coil.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MasterKwan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cranking with the spark plugs wires disconnected kills Dizzy's. Looks like an expensive mistake. You could have killed the coil or ignitor. If you'd unplugged the big connection on the dizzy, it wouldn't have gotten hurt.

OBD2 and and OBD1 Dizzy's are pretty much the same. All you have to do is re-pin the connectors. I want the other way though, OBD1 dizzy on an OBD2 wiring harness. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yup looks like thats what happened for sure...
ima try the other dizzy tomorrow and hope thats the problem...thanks guys

 

gents97civ, if you don't plug the big connector to the dizzy, it's got 0 power so, it's impossible to blow the coil. Without that connector hooked up, it's just a lump of aluminum.

 

Shant, what i would do in your situation is check all the fuses (even the ones under the hood) then pull the ignitor and coil and use those. Dont repin that dist. because thats a waste of time in your situation. Only time you would want to do that is if your throwing a TDC, CYP, or CKP codes.

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RESET THE ECU BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. whats the CEL do when you turn the key to the on position???

 

I did the same thing last year on my H22. I'm not sure if you've written this off as a possibility, but it was my ignitor in the dizzy itself. Disconnect the dizzy next time you do a comp test.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shant, what i would do in your situation is check all the fuses (even the ones under the hood) then pull the ignitor and coil and use those. Dont repin that dist. because thats a waste of time in your situation. Only time you would want to do that is if your throwing a TDC, CYP, or CKP codes. </TD></TR></TABLE>
the fuses are all good....well heres the thing. the dizzy i got is off a customer car so im just gonna use it to check if the problem lies within there...dont wanna break something thats not mine and have to buy him a whole new one...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schardbody &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RESET THE ECU BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. whats the CEL do when you turn the key to the on position??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
i already did that...i doubt my problem has anything to do with the ECU...im pretty sure its the dizzy...
the CEL acts like it always does...turns on for a couple seconds then goes away...i dont have any CEL the car is 99%stock

 

no offense, but a customer car? are you retarded? you work in a shop, AND you're going to borrow parts off of a customer's car to try to fix your own? Lovely shop you got going there. Mechanics that don't know how to fix their own cars, and borrowing parts from customer's cars to try to diagnose their own....
How bout you whip out a friggen multimeter and a manual and test the **** in your own distributor? expletive, you're retarded.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no offense, but a customer car? are you retarded? you work in a shop, AND you're going to borrow parts off of a customer's car to try to fix your own? Lovely shop you got going there. Mechanics that don't know how to fix their own cars, and borrowing parts from customer's cars to try to diagnose their own....
How bout you whip out a friggen multimeter and a manual and test the **** in your own distributor? expletive, you're retarded.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what do you care how i check my issue?...the car im taking it from was totalled and the customer is gonna junk it and said i can take whatever parts i need from it...not that it should matter to you anyways...you sound like a lame *** wannabe know it all in your attempts to belittle me....i made a mistake, it happens,i learned from it....
im not even gonna attempt to argue with you...get a life

 

A wannabe?
Cause I did an auto to manual swap 5 years ago before there was any info on it?
And I just threw an f23 into an EG?
And I have done over 30 swaps?
Wait, and I actually race at the track instead of lining them up in some back alley?
Oh yeah, and there's that thing of actually helping other people without taking advantage of them....?
Grow up. Yeah, I took a shot at you, and your shop. It's a shitty way to diagnose a problem. Plus you haven't figured out that you'd have to rewire things from obd2 to obd1 to get that dizzy on your car. It's a royal pain in the ***.
Learning to do something the easy way at other people's suggestion might help you out.

Seriously, do yourself a favor and pick up a manual and multimeter. You can test the coil. You can test the ignitor. Aside from those, wiring, or an ecu, you have no reason for not having spark.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A wannabe?
Cause I did an auto to manual swap 5 years ago before there was any info on it?
And I just threw an f23 into an EG?
And I have done over 30 swaps?
Wait, and I actually race at the track instead of lining them up in some back alley?
Oh yeah, and there's that thing of actually helping other people without taking advantage of them....?
Grow up. Yeah, I took a shot at you, and your shop. It's a shitty way to diagnose a problem. Plus you haven't figured out that you'd have to rewire things from obd2 to obd1 to get that dizzy on your car. It's a royal pain in the ***.
Learning to do something the easy way at other people's suggestion might help you out.

Seriously, do yourself a favor and pick up a manual and multimeter. You can test the coil. You can test the ignitor. Aside from those, wiring, or an ecu, you have no reason for not having spark. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats nice...i dont know what your mechanical ability has to do with me but more power to you...
i just dont see why repining the connectors would be a PITA...it only takes a minute to remove all the pins from the connector and if you hae the wiring diagrams from both models it should be easy to rearrange them in the new connectors...replacing the coil and ignitor is easier, like luserkid said before (and it worked...the cars running now.) but sometimes i like to do stuff for the learning experience not just cuz its easier...

 

and you still don't know WHAT is wrong with your distributor... Thus making you a huge D bag for not testing your coil and ignitor. The you wouldn't be running with a repinned distributor, and you wouldn't owe someone a distributor. You could actually replace the part that's broken instead of sitting there with a useless lump of crap. I have no idea why you frustrate me so much, but man, if you can't do something right, make someone else do it so your car isn't a pile of mixed of parts.

 

how about.........................SHUT UP you sound like a ****

fare enough 4 ur swaps tho

btw 1 question were u bullied wen u didnt no much is that y u take it out on people who dont no as much as you?

 

Give someone the means to fix their problem and they decide they need to rip apart another car to dance around the issue. **** or not, I'm right. Fix the issue. Don't throw parts at it until it runs while stealing from another car.
Bullied as a kid? No...
And no, I don't pick on people who know less than I do. ****, look at my post history. Something about del sol door panels.... I help people who need help. Once you prove your arrogant, I treat you as if you are.

 

I second this, i have done this first hand. pulled plugs to put in new ones and did a comp check on my r put the plugs and wires back in and nothing, replaced the coil and it fired right up

 

i dont see the big deal here, the man fixed his problem. sometimes troubleshooting is a shot in the dark. and it might not be the correct or preferred way of doing things by master mechanics, but if it gets the job done so be it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and you still don't know WHAT is wrong with your distributor... Thus making you a huge D bag for not testing your coil and ignitor. The you wouldn't be running with a repinned distributor, and you wouldn't owe someone a distributor. You could actually replace the part that's broken instead of sitting there with a useless lump of crap. I have no idea why you frustrate me so much, but man, if you can't do something right, make someone else do it so your car isn't a pile of mixed of parts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
man what the expletive are you talking about...the car is already running...i changed the coil and ignitor and it works fine now...i was just askin if an obd2 dizzy will work if i repin the connectors...not if YOU think its the right thing to do....
hahaha have someone else do it so its not a mixed pile of parts? do you realize how stupid that sounds on a website all about modifying hondas?
i still dont realize why you even give a **** what i do...if i frustrate you so much stop replying in the thread...simple as that...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Give someone the means to fix their problem and they decide they need to rip apart another car to dance around the issue. **** or not, I'm right. Fix the issue. Don't throw parts at it until it runs while stealing from another car.
Bullied as a kid? No...
And no, I don't pick on people who know less than I do. ****, look at my post history. Something about del sol door panels.... I help people who need help. Once you prove your arrogant, I treat you as if you are. </TD></TR></TABLE>

steal from another car??? man are you slow in the head...i already said the guy totalled his car and was gonna junk it...he told me to take whatever i need from it...i didnt know it was stealing if someone says you can have it...

i think the only arrogant person in this thread is you...the problem has been resolved and your still complaining about who knows what anymore...you must really like to hear yourself speak...i cant wait to see what your gonna say next...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99em1_sir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I second this, i have done this first hand. pulled plugs to put in new ones and did a comp check on my r put the plugs and wires back in and nothing, replaced the coil and it fired right up</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly...we all mess up at some point in our lives...i guess theres just always gonna be that idiot whos gonna stick your face in it to make themselves feel better.

ill admit it i dont really know much about electronic systems and when something goes wrong ill do as much as i can to fix it before i come in here and make a post...at least im not making a thread saying check out my new bumper pole!