Hey, this was probably covered a few years back but what's the concensus on the 2.2L versus the 2.0L with 9k redline? I haven't been able to find much on the 2.0L performance. Is it outperformed by the 2.2L pretty consistently? I'm talking stock cars here. Thanks for any insight.

 

i never say this, but search on s2ki.com...

briefly: outperformed? it dyno's 10WHP more, and they claim their faster around the track but the scca records still show ap1's ahead, go drive them both.

 

It's up to the driver and how accustomed he is to his chassis and set up, if you're talkin about racing. It took me a bit to find the AP2's sweet spot, and I'm still getting used to it.

 

doesnt matter AP1's still own!

but yes its all in the driver... both cars stock will respond differently with the sme driver..
but its a give and take between the 2 really!

 

i've owned both cars and i would never own an ap1 again, i get more use out of the torqe and its more fun to drive u dont have to rev the **** out of it to get it sideways but everybody has different opinions. All my friends own ap1's and they wanna drive my car all the time cause it feels different.

 

GEARSSSS

 

2.2 all the way

 

now lets see here just to verify.. the US market is the only ones that have the F22? while others retained the F20?

 

i believe all others got the f22 this year with the 2.2 8k.

 

the US market/culture is a sucker for displacement... its the american way, thats why all others had remained with the proven F20C

 

i believe its just u.s. and japan that has the f22, australia and certain parts in europe have the f20 still in production,


does anyone know if they got the ap2 f22 tranny?

 

I dunno..im in love with the F20. I've driven an AP2 and....it just wasnt the same. Everyone says that 9k is over rated, but i dont think so at all. Plus, i dont have any problems with the torque band on the F20C. I dont mind revving it either..isnt that why you buy a sports car? I have no idea why people complain about the "lack of torque" on an F20. I think its more than adequate.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dunno..im in love with the F20. I've driven an AP2 and....it just wasnt the same. Everyone says that 9k is over rated, but i dont think so at all. Plus, i dont have any problems with the torque band on the F20C. I dont mind revving it either..isnt that why you buy a sports car? I have no idea why people complain about the "lack of torque" on an F20. I think its more than adequate. </TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed... you knwo what i say.. if u wanted to play at 3K you should have gotten a demestic... i play 6k+ with room to spare!

 

i personally have the 01 s with the f20c it has about 80k miles on it. i worked for hardin honda and got to drive the new f22 and i wasnt impressed the only thing i liked about them was the leather material rather than the regular leather in mine. i love my AP1

 

i just got my ap2 its an o4 and from what I've heard as far as drag the ap1 is faster i havnt raced mine yet but alot people tell me that. If this were the case then getting the ap2 to go t 9k would be the trick to beating an ap1 because just being able to go to 9k even if you dont make power ur still in gear longer and does let you get the advantage so its just my opinion dont eat me alive if im wrong lol

 

<FONT COLOR="RED"> ALL DRIVER
BUT IF YOU CANT DRIVE THEN PICK DISPLACEMENT OVER NON DRIVING SKILL </FONT>

 

so to those who have a AP1 what RPM do you think is best for launching the s2000 as well as AP2 drivers tell me yours i personally havent raced from a dead stop but on the freeway i keept up with a M3 from 2nd to 4th then he took off

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2k4me &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so to those who have a AP1 what RPM do you think is best for launching the s2000 as well as AP2 drivers tell me yours i personally havent raced from a dead stop but on the freeway i keept up with a M3 from 2nd to 4th then he took off</TD></TR></TABLE>
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6500 ISH IN A AP1, AND SHIFT AT 8200...
I RAN A NEW M3 FROM A ROLL.. AND WE WERE EVEN TILL WE HE WENT INTO 4TH AND WAS IN SPORT MODE </FONT>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><FONT COLOR="RED">
6500 ISH IN A AP1, AND SHIFT AT 8200...
I RAN A NEW M3 FROM A ROLL.. AND WE WERE EVEN TILL WE HE WENT INTO 4TH AND WAS IN SPORT MODE </FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

I did well launching between 7200-7500 rpm's and shifting at 9k, no higher

 

<FONT COLOR="red"> well i figured shifting at teh motors peak power and streching out the last gear it got me the better results.. im goign to play with teh launching next time... most likely ill have my gears in.. </FONT>

 

man i havnt raced off the hole becuz first off i got no tires and second i heard that the rear ends on this car is rather weak. also would the ap2 be faster with the ap1 ecu??? since your going to nine and prolly making more power as well...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetsold6teeny8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">man i havnt raced off the hole becuz first off i got no tires and second i heard that the rear ends on this car is rather weak. also would the ap2 be faster with the ap1 ecu??? since your going to nine and prolly making more power as well... </TD></TR></TABLE>

no
no
and NO

the rears ends should be stronger... but its more of a DRIVER style that will blow a rear end out.. rev it to 7k and dump the clutch.. your rear end will blow it you get any kind of traction...
no the AP1 ecu is a different map completely since its a different motor so it isnt any benefits from it...

 

no
no
and NO

the rears ends should be stronger... but its more of a DRIVER style that will blow a rear end out.. rev it to 7k and dump the clutch.. your rear end will blow it you get any kind of traction...

SO HOW DO YOU LAUNCH EASY OFF THE CLUTCH OR WHAT. I HAVENT BEEN OFF THE LINE IN MINE JUST FREEWAY SPEEDS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME SUGGESTIONS IN CASE I EVER GET IN TO A HEAD TO HEAD TYPE THING. KEEP IN MIND MINE HAS 80K AND IS BONE STOCK (except for the apexi vafcII)

 

just dont simply drop the clutch feather it out so you have some tire spin but not that your lighting it off... like burning the clutch a lil off the line.... feel me?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just dont simply drop the clutch feather it out so you have some tire spin but not that your lighting it off... like burning the clutch a lil off the line.... feel me?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not touching you so NO