so, just bought a del sol with 130,000 on a D15B7, it was a one owner car and never abused, mint engine condition. i'm not sure wether i just want to turbo it, or if it would be better to do an engine swap. i'm looking to spend 1,500 at most doing all the labor on my own, not looking for massive amounts of power, just a decent boost, i only have 102hp right now, would like to get at least 150. if an engine swap is better what would you recommend swapping in? and if i should just put a turbo in, what else would i need to do other than the obvious kit.




Modified by schneedrache at 11:19 AM 1/6/2007

 

You could afford a JDM ZC swap(1.6L sohc vtec version) and a budget turbo setup if you shop well. Easy 200whp+

 

bump

 

id say for cheap you should get a d16z6 and boost that, on stock internals at really low boost it would safely make 150 whp all day long, luss you could bump it up later if you wanted.

 

150whp?
You can go up to 225-250whp and be safe on stock internals.
Just dont go cheap on a tune and you'll be good.

 

get a d16z6 and turbo that. sell your current engine and trans (or keep as backup)

you'll be running 13s no problem.

 

you think i can hit over 200whp with stock internals on a d15b7, and a turbo kit boosting no more than 10psi, and a good ecu tune?

i would bet the best i could get is 70hp out of a turbo, at most

 

10psi from a huge turbo is not the same as 10psi from a tiny turbo so dont use that as a basis for your hp goals

 

well than let's just say i purchase a turbo like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1

what would i expect to gain with that installed and running properly with a tuned ecu?

(btw, these things look cheesy, has anyone ever purchased an ebay turbo with success?)

 

You would successfully have a horribly built turbo kit missing parts, and will probably blow a weld on the manifold or the turbo housing.

Buy a greddy kit, or make a junkyard kit.

 

excuse me for being a super n00b but, build a junkyard?

you mean just buy the turbo and assemble everything else from miscellaneous places?

or did my rating just go down 10%?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schneedrache &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">excuse me for being a super n00b but, build a junkyard?

you mean just buy the turbo and assemble everything else from miscellaneous places?

or did my rating just go down 10%?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You get the top portion of the exhaust manifold from a CRX HF, have a machine shop make you a flange for whatever turbo you're going to lift from ebay or a junkyard (Volvo, Saab, Mitsubishi, etc), get some DSM (1st gen eclipse) 440CC injectors, a resistor box (preludes are a good source), and have an exhaust shop make you a downpipe and dump tube for your turbo, get a DSM or SAAB sidemount intercooler (or an old starion frontmount), get some charge piping bent at an exhaust shop as well, and get a BOV from a 1st gen eclipse as well.

Ta-daahhhhh turbo kit for under $500 .... then just get yourself a chipped ecu and a decent tune.

 

^^^
good way to start a turbo set up and learn.

 

If you go with the B16A3 you've got 160hp at bone-stock (it came with the VTEC trim 'sols, and is DOHC). Honestly if you're going to buy a new engine the jump from a D15B7 to a D16Z6 isn't that great. Not to knock D16Z6, it came with my del Sol Si and I love it, but if you're going to put down the money on an engine and go through the time and money of putting one in, you might as well pass on the D16Z6's SOHC 125HP and go for the gold with the B16A3.

Now like a total douche bag I am giving advice and I honestly don't know the price difference between the two engines. Maybe someone else here can clear that up for us?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by onacouch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you go with the B16A3 you've got 160hp at bone-stock (it came with the VTEC trim 'sols, and is DOHC). Honestly if you're going to buy a new engine the jump from a D15B7 to a D16Z6 isn't that great. Not to knock D16Z6, it came with my del Sol Si and I love it, but if you're going to put down the money on an engine and go through the time and money of putting one in, you might as well pass on the D16Z6's SOHC 125HP and go for the gold with the B16A3.

Now like a total douche bag I am giving advice and I honestly don't know the price difference between the two engines. Maybe someone else here can clear that up for us?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Z6 Swap = $600
B16 Swap = $1600+

Just do a Z6 mini-me and tranny, and then boost.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Z6 Swap = $600
B16 Swap = $1600+

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Wow...!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You get the top portion of the exhaust manifold from a CRX HF, have a machine shop make you a flange for whatever turbo you're going to lift from ebay or a junkyard (Volvo, Saab, Mitsubishi, etc), get some DSM (1st gen eclipse) 440CC injectors, a resistor box (preludes are a good source), and have an exhaust shop make you a downpipe and dump tube for your turbo, get a DSM or SAAB sidemount intercooler (or an old starion frontmount), get some charge piping bent at an exhaust shop as well, and get a BOV from a 1st gen eclipse as well.

Ta-daahhhhh turbo kit for under $500 .... then just get yourself a chipped ecu and a decent tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>

*takes out notepad, writes down, runs away*

 

With $1500, I wouldn't build a turbo kit from junkyard parts. Your going to be putting a lot of pressure on those components, and used pieces will break sooner than new (exceptions of course ). You could find a new Greddy kit for about that price, but it lacks a intercooler/BOV. Plus the proper tuning, if you yourself don't do it, will probably put you over budget. A swap would be nice, but you would probably have to settle with a first-gen. B16A or an B18A/B. Either will probably have substantial mileage, then you add in the cost of maintenance parts. I don't know if you have emissions where you live, but if you do, a junkyard turbo or first-gen. B16A probably wouldn't work, any pre-93 B18 as well, maybe you've got a hookup though . IMO, I/H/E, cam w/valvetrain, IM, and an upgraded clutch would be the way to go. I could see that at 135-140hp(?). Maybe a suspension kit in there too. Either way, welcome!

 

Buy a Z6 and turbo it

 

screw a z6.. boost that d15b7. if it was "never abused" and has "mint engine condition" then i'd say peice together a kit with a small snail and enjoy

 

93CX has a good point, if your engine is in as good of shape as you say it is, then "junkyard" turbo kit is right up your alley.

http://www.homemadeturbo.com is a great place to start, and they show you how to do the things people have recomended here for you.

turbod16.com is another great place to look.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IowayRUlz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> IMO, I/H/E, cam w/valvetrain, IM, and an upgraded clutch would be the way to go. I could see that at 135-140hp(?). Maybe a suspension kit in there too. Either way, welcome! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not on a D15B7 it wont, not on any Dseries it wont. his engine probably puts out around 80-90hp at the wheels, I/H/E would give him like 10hp cause you have to rember its a D SERIES. Then a cam might give him another 10hp if he can find one, and guess what the price of all of that will be? around $1,000, and he will have a whopping 110hp at the wheels MAX! Maybe on a MINI ME those mods will get you about 125whp if done right. For an N/A D series you need high compression to make if any decent power. Used Greddy kit and a Sohc Vtec will give him what he wants/

 

thank you guys for the help, i have decided on the junkyard kit, i also think it would be the most fun to build and it's more unique, i like haveing something unique on my vehicle, if you have any more sites or threads that could help me out that would be great, thank you i heart vans for the sites, they'll be a great help, and thanks guys, you've been very friendly

 

http://www.homemadeturbo.com and http://d-series.org/

 

i've been researching what to expect to need to do a junkyard, one thing i am puzzeled on is do i need a FMU if i'm gonna put 440cc injectors in? i've heard it's best to just up the injectors

and also will i ned to upgrade the fuel pump? or should the stock be fine?