14B Questions? WHP ?
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Re: 14B Questions? WHP ? (b18sihatch)
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I don't care about that , I'm asking whats the highest HP someone has made on it ?
I'm not trying to be a jerk so sorry.
I don't care about that , I'm asking whats the highest HP someone has made on it ?
I'm not trying to be a jerk so sorry.
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Re: (USDM 4G VTEC)
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Thats actually my power goal
3" exhaust ????
Thats actually my power goal
3" exhaust ????
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Re: (KB24)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KB24 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats actually my power goal 3" exhaust ????</TD></TR></TABLE>
2.5" dowpipe, to a 3" full exhaust mandrel bent from under the oil pan
3" exhaust ????</TD></TR></TABLE>2.5" dowpipe, to a 3" full exhaust mandrel bent from under the oil pan
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Re: (USDM 4G VTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by USDM 4G VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check my sig on power levels on stock wastegate</TD></TR></TABLE>
BS. Post the dyno sheet.
It may have been 10psi but I bet you 100% that it was creeping up to xxpsi.
A 14B is such a **** turbo. It uses a very old ineffiecient compressor wheel design.
EDIT. I saw it. Definitely major boost creep.
BS. Post the dyno sheet.
It may have been 10psi but I bet you 100% that it was creeping up to xxpsi.
A 14B is such a **** turbo. It uses a very old ineffiecient compressor wheel design.
EDIT. I saw it. Definitely major boost creep.
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Re: (MidShipCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Highest WHP on a 14b was in the DSM community it was 400whp on a fwd with an uncapped cutout.
Car had headwork and camshafts also.</TD></TR></TABLE>
On nitrous too?
A 14B can not come even close to flow enough for 400WHP. It would be hurting to push 300WHP.
Car had headwork and camshafts also.</TD></TR></TABLE>
On nitrous too?
A 14B can not come even close to flow enough for 400WHP. It would be hurting to push 300WHP.
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On nitrous too?
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Probably a yes, the turbine housing was ported as well.
But this is a 4g63, its no D-series .
On nitrous too?
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Probably a yes, the turbine housing was ported as well.
But this is a 4g63, its no D-series .
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When talking about max whp, boost creap means nothing other than it took the 'crept-up-to' psi to make that power. If there was no boost creap but the wg was set to that higher psi, you'd just see a bunch more mid-range torque. The other thing with that dyno is the motor - its far from a bone-stock sohc.
A 14b making 400whp (assuming no spray) would need serious porting, and probably compressor wheel clipping. The stock wheel tips will go supersonic way before it can flow 400whp. Clipping it essentially allows the inducer side to spin faster, since a smaller exducer means more radians/sec before it goes supersonic. FYI the turbo 'blows hot air' once the compressor wheel tips break the speed of sound.
I think you'd be better off with a '.42/.48' turbo, as those are usually 50 trim w/stg1 wheels. 19psi is where that turbo sees the most flow before it's map ends, and half of that 2.3 PR line is >72& efficient. 30lb/min on a good motor could give you 300whp if you run race gas for more timing - and have a fmic with very dense fins.
A 14b making 400whp (assuming no spray) would need serious porting, and probably compressor wheel clipping. The stock wheel tips will go supersonic way before it can flow 400whp. Clipping it essentially allows the inducer side to spin faster, since a smaller exducer means more radians/sec before it goes supersonic. FYI the turbo 'blows hot air' once the compressor wheel tips break the speed of sound.
I think you'd be better off with a '.42/.48' turbo, as those are usually 50 trim w/stg1 wheels. 19psi is where that turbo sees the most flow before it's map ends, and half of that 2.3 PR line is >72& efficient. 30lb/min on a good motor could give you 300whp if you run race gas for more timing - and have a fmic with very dense fins.
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I honestly think that even with the best manifold, headwork, etc, etc....you'd have a hard time breaking into the 300whp range with that tiny little bugger.....if you're shooting for a fast spooling turbo, it would be fun, but would lack peak power. I think 230-240whp would be practical....
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Re: (MidShipCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Probably a yes, the turbine housing was ported as well.
But this is a 4g63, its no D-series .</TD></TR></TABLE>
It doesn't matter what motor. A 14B will not support 400.
Even clipped wheels won't get you anymore flow, it only can move the turbos operating range for the engine. It decreases effeciency too at those higher RPMs.
Probably a yes, the turbine housing was ported as well.
But this is a 4g63, its no D-series .</TD></TR></TABLE>
It doesn't matter what motor. A 14B will not support 400.
Even clipped wheels won't get you anymore flow, it only can move the turbos operating range for the engine. It decreases effeciency too at those higher RPMs.
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Re: (F20Cteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by F20Cteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BS. Post the dyno sheet.
It may have been 10psi but I bet you 100% that it was creeping up to xxpsi.
A 14B is such a **** turbo. It uses a very old ineffiecient compressor wheel design.
EDIT. I saw it. Definitely major boost creep.
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Maybe you want to think before you post about vehicles you have no clue about.
You can come all the way to my place. I will give you a ride on my car.
Bring a camera and IF YOU CAN record boost creep up to xxpsi like you claim, i will PAY YOU all the expenses you had for comming over, just so you can record it and prove me wrong. Oh wait, you live on Fakeville USA, you dont have airports there.
My dyno sheet has no boost creep, what you see there was the ignition timing breaking up on high RPM's due to NO ignition tunning when that run was done.
I am not any guy here posting items without proof, i KNOW what i talk about, and never stop learning from the best tuners/builders. Tell ya what, want a third party proof? Call the shop who ran my dyno sheet, its on my signature, and ask for the owner, and he will tell you directly.
Its better for you to be quiet, than to make a fool out of yourself, calling BS and talking smack out of someone else's car, when you have no hands on knowledge on this particular turbo & setup. Just by the posts you made, i can tell how ignorant you are when it comes to the variables and unpreditable outcomes any motor can have. You just probably read it elsewhere and just replied here to sound like you know something.
It may have been 10psi but I bet you 100% that it was creeping up to xxpsi.
A 14B is such a **** turbo. It uses a very old ineffiecient compressor wheel design.
EDIT. I saw it. Definitely major boost creep.
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Maybe you want to think before you post about vehicles you have no clue about.
You can come all the way to my place. I will give you a ride on my car.
Bring a camera and IF YOU CAN record boost creep up to xxpsi like you claim, i will PAY YOU all the expenses you had for comming over, just so you can record it and prove me wrong. Oh wait, you live on Fakeville USA, you dont have airports there.
My dyno sheet has no boost creep, what you see there was the ignition timing breaking up on high RPM's due to NO ignition tunning when that run was done.
I am not any guy here posting items without proof, i KNOW what i talk about, and never stop learning from the best tuners/builders. Tell ya what, want a third party proof? Call the shop who ran my dyno sheet, its on my signature, and ask for the owner, and he will tell you directly.
Its better for you to be quiet, than to make a fool out of yourself, calling BS and talking smack out of someone else's car, when you have no hands on knowledge on this particular turbo & setup. Just by the posts you made, i can tell how ignorant you are when it comes to the variables and unpreditable outcomes any motor can have. You just probably read it elsewhere and just replied here to sound like you know something.
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Re: (F20Cteg)
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It doesn't matter what motor. A 14B will not support 400.
Even clipped wheels won't get you anymore flow, it only can move the turbos operating range for the engine. It decreases effeciency too at those higher RPMs.
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Didnt I say probably nitrous injection
I saw 400whp on it, doesnt matter what you speak of.
It doesn't matter what motor. A 14B will not support 400.
Even clipped wheels won't get you anymore flow, it only can move the turbos operating range for the engine. It decreases effeciency too at those higher RPMs.
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Didnt I say probably nitrous injection
I saw 400whp on it, doesnt matter what you speak of.
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Re: (USDM 4G VTEC)
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Oh wait, you live on Fakeville USA, you dont have airports there.
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Right and VTEC, OH is where exactly. You think that someone's location gives them a magical boost in knowledge. Get a rope.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by USDM 4G VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My dyno sheet has no boost creep, what you see there was the ignition timing breaking up on high RPM's due to NO ignition tunning when that run was done.
I am not any guy here posting items without proof, i KNOW what i talk about, and never stop learning from the best tuners/builders. Tell ya what, want a third party proof? Call the shop who ran my dyno sheet, its on my signature, and ask for the owner, and he will tell you directly.
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WTF are you saying, you have no proof. You have a dyno sheet and I did not see a boost graph.
Right and the owner is going to pull the boost readings out his memory/*** from how many years ago?
Unless, it was datalogged by either the dyno or some other system, you have nothing. You HAD boost creep or your boost gauge is way off or you are lying OR you simply did not have a 14B. NO 14B is going to flow enough at 10psi. You probably saw 14 and said "eh pretty much 10."
Oh wait, you live on Fakeville USA, you dont have airports there.
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Right and VTEC, OH is where exactly. You think that someone's location gives them a magical boost in knowledge. Get a rope.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by USDM 4G VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My dyno sheet has no boost creep, what you see there was the ignition timing breaking up on high RPM's due to NO ignition tunning when that run was done.
I am not any guy here posting items without proof, i KNOW what i talk about, and never stop learning from the best tuners/builders. Tell ya what, want a third party proof? Call the shop who ran my dyno sheet, its on my signature, and ask for the owner, and he will tell you directly.
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WTF are you saying, you have no proof. You have a dyno sheet and I did not see a boost graph.
Right and the owner is going to pull the boost readings out his memory/*** from how many years ago?
Unless, it was datalogged by either the dyno or some other system, you have nothing. You HAD boost creep or your boost gauge is way off or you are lying OR you simply did not have a 14B. NO 14B is going to flow enough at 10psi. You probably saw 14 and said "eh pretty much 10."
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Re: (F20Cteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by F20Cteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
WTF are you saying, you have no proof. You have a dyno sheet and I did not see a boost graph.
Right and the owner is going to pull the boost readings out his memory/*** from how many years ago?
Unless, it was datalogged by either the dyno or some other system, you have nothing. You HAD boost creep or your boost gauge is way off or you are lying OR you simply did not have a 14B. NO 14B is going to flow enough at 10psi. You probably saw 14 and said "eh pretty much 10."</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, since you want to be so smart and cocky, i am going to proove you wrong
because so far everything comming out of your mouth is being ****, here is a datalog screen from my zeitronix wideband and boost log
and if you are retarded enough not to search and find put what the voltage reading is, this is on a Motorola 2.5 BAR map sensor
the following table is a voltage output of the motorola 2.5 BAR MAP
and just in case you are dumb enough not to be able to convert Kpa into PSI, heres a conversion website for you to put what 3.20 voltage is on boost, which is about 168 kpa which converts to 24.34 absolut psi, which is 9.84 psi when you substract the atmospheric pressure of 14.5
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure
but just in case you feel like talking more **** and say i dont have that map sensor, here is a picture
and just in case you want to say again that i dont have a 14B, heres another picture for your stupid ***
ready to shut up already?
WTF are you saying, you have no proof. You have a dyno sheet and I did not see a boost graph.
Right and the owner is going to pull the boost readings out his memory/*** from how many years ago?
Unless, it was datalogged by either the dyno or some other system, you have nothing. You HAD boost creep or your boost gauge is way off or you are lying OR you simply did not have a 14B. NO 14B is going to flow enough at 10psi. You probably saw 14 and said "eh pretty much 10."</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, since you want to be so smart and cocky, i am going to proove you wrong
because so far everything comming out of your mouth is being ****, here is a datalog screen from my zeitronix wideband and boost log
and if you are retarded enough not to search and find put what the voltage reading is, this is on a Motorola 2.5 BAR map sensor
the following table is a voltage output of the motorola 2.5 BAR MAP
and just in case you are dumb enough not to be able to convert Kpa into PSI, heres a conversion website for you to put what 3.20 voltage is on boost, which is about 168 kpa which converts to 24.34 absolut psi, which is 9.84 psi when you substract the atmospheric pressure of 14.5
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure
but just in case you feel like talking more **** and say i dont have that map sensor, here is a picture
and just in case you want to say again that i dont have a 14B, heres another picture for your stupid ***
ready to shut up already?
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Re: (USDM 4G VTEC)
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ready to shut up already?
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Hell no.
What wheel is in that turbo?
ready to shut up already?
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Hell no.
What wheel is in that turbo?
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Re: (F20Cteg)
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Hell no.
What wheel is in that turbo?
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Dude just stop it already . You already proved your douchiness a while back.
Hell no.
What wheel is in that turbo?
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Dude just stop it already . You already proved your douchiness a while back.
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Re: (KB24)
270-280whp is the generally accepted 14B limit in the DSM world. A couple people have broken 300whp with lots of porting and really aggressive tunes. No nitrous, of course.
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